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11-04-2019, 04:46 PM | #1 |
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Developing fielders
Question for the community. If I have players that I feel are offensively ready to move up to the next minor league level but struggle defensively what would your decision be? I am under the impression that fielding development isn't going to be stunted at a higher level like hitting and pitching would. Is that true? I should mention that this is a purely stats only environment. Thanks for any feedback.
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11-04-2019, 04:53 PM | #2 |
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Fielding shouldn't be stunted, but be aware that if you're letting your minor league managers have control, they can often put players out of position if they feel like it. I had a SS prospect that was kicking around in my minors for a couple of years that didn't improve defensively because my Minor league managers kept putting him at 2nd base. So if they are lagging on their defensive position rating compared to their raw fielding ratings be sure to use force start/use.
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11-04-2019, 05:13 PM | #3 |
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A player will only ever be as good as his underlying Range/Error/Arm etc. ratings. It doesn't take too long to get to max experience for a position. But the underlying ratings don't tend to change much, except when getting old or injured. Could be that your player is better suited to another position. Hard to say without seeing some examples.
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11-04-2019, 05:18 PM | #5 |
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Sorry, didn't see that you mentioned it's a stats-only environment. Fielding would definitely be tough to manage in that case! I'd like to try stats-only sometime though.
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11-04-2019, 05:24 PM | #6 | |
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11-04-2019, 05:47 PM | #7 |
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Yeah it's an interesting scenario dealing with fielding in stats-only. Depends how much you want to micromanage and pour over details. Myself I'd be inclined to look at bat-first in the minors like you say, and just let my minor league AI managers deal with fielding. And then maybe find some gloves with proven major league stats later on if I need them.
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11-04-2019, 05:47 PM | #8 |
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Developing fielders is all about experience. So, as long as they are playing the position they are developing (up to their abilities at least).
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11-04-2019, 05:52 PM | #9 |
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Thank you. That is what I thought but needed confirmation on.
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11-04-2019, 06:51 PM | #10 |
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Players should really be able to degrade at a position if they don't play it.
A guy who trains all spring at 2B, shouldn't be ready to go at LF because he played a season there in high-A ball 5 years ago Everyone trains their players at multiple positions in the minors because it's more useful when they get to the majors. But, this isn't realistic. We don't see real teams doing this. [/Off topic/tangent] |
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Although from what I read these days (for instance, in Baseball America or on the Athletic) this is the trend. I think the more historical you play perhaps this is less realistic but in the current MLB climate, developing positional flexibility seems to be more important than ever. (Circling back to your first point though, I thought this was already mirrored in the game? I feel like I have seen players, even young players, revert to lower positional experience ratings at positions they haven't played in awhile. Or am I imagining that?)
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11-04-2019, 08:11 PM | #13 |
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Yeah, if you haven't played a position in a while, the experience there starts to degrade.
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But they do degrade. Hence why you’ll find prospects with 95 CF rating, but 40 LF. Also, if you’ve ever had a 3B or 2B that you stuck in LF for their age 23-24 seasons then moved back to IF to never see OF again you’ll see there often useless in the OF by 26, not because of their LF position rating. But their OF range/error/arm deteriorates rapidly. Also, I disagree that it’s unrealistic. There’s zero reason that an MLB quality athlete at SS can’t play a passing corner outfield if he trains the entire offseason/spring training. Note I said passing, he’ll grade poorly, but he also isn’t gonna have a range of 10 feet. Think of Javy Baez, he hasn’t played OF since 2015 or 2016 which was in ST/minors. Give him 3 months and he’ll be fine in the OF. |
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11-07-2019, 05:34 PM | #16 |
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Dr. Funke's point about minor-league managers is spot on. I once had a marginal pitching prospect who was a very good hitter and could play as a catcher. I'd invite him to spring training and use him as a catcher, then send him down and he'd pitch. When I stopped sending him down he became a really good No. 2 catcher.
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