Complete Universe Facegen Pack

[BaseballGOAT]

Hey guys, quick question? I've never sorted out my facegen folder so it's huge and a lot redundancy but I've been working on a ncaa mod for a while and might possibly have 300-400 draft class guys that might be useful.? What's the best way to send them your direction for checking to see if any of them are good enough for inclusion?

[FancySkunk]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Hey guys, quick question? I've never sorted out my facegen folder so it's huge and a lot redundancy but I've been working on a ncaa mod for a while and might possibly have 300-400 draft class guys that might be useful.? What's the best way to send them your direction for checking to see if any of them are good enough for inclusion?

I'd definitely love to take a look through any college guys you have for potential inclusion. The easiest way to send them to me is probably at the pack's email address: ootp.facegen.pack@gmail.com

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by FancySkunk

Couple really quick things:

I don't remember if I mentioned it in here, but if you recall, a few months ago we had a bunch of more recent players lose their facegens due to a game update. I was able to get all of those restored prior to the release of the new google drive.

I have a new version of the signature banner I use, which uses fewer frames, better looking facegens, and the animated PNG format for better quality. If anyone involved with the project would like to add it to their forum signature to send people to the thread, the code to include in your signature is:

[~URL="https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/showthread.php?t=313740"][~IMG]https://i.imgur.com/wmsPJ3u.png[/IMG][/URL]

(just remove the two ~ marks)

Although I'm a complete mooch on this project, the signature banner is now there. Did you only want people who are actually contributing to have this in their signature, or the more the merrier?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Action,

On the first of October over on my thread, silvam14 posted this WRT the Minor League Historic ID progress:

"Just to note, They are not all fixed yet. Any player who had a minors ID but was incorrect has not yet been fixed. Just the missing ones were added so far, but that is a bulk of the issues"

They were pushed through on a OOTP22 patch. All the missing ones (for those that have them) that is.

So, we're talking about an incorrect minors ID attached to the facegen file, right? Like the facegen file having the minors ID smith-001joe, instead of the more commonly seen smith-001jos, correct?

[BaseballGOAT]

Ok cool. I'm off work for a minor surgery for the next 10 days so I'm gonna woirk to include as many new facegens as possible and then I will shoot it over.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

So, we're talking about an incorrect minors ID attached to the facegen file, right? Like the facegen file having the minors ID smith-001joe, instead of the more commonly seen smith-001jos, correct?

Silvam14 worked with Lukas to populate Historical Minors IDs for the folks that didn't have them in the OOTP database but where there was, in fact, a code on bRef. So, a few months ago a player like Bill Dahlen's fg was saved under his MLB bRef code as the Minors one was blank in the OOTP database. But his work was taken by the developers so that those players now have Minor League fg codes.

He also cleaned out/corrected some of the dead ones (the -joe v. -jos problem) on his personal pack but as has been discussed on his thread, a cut and paste of the current CU facepack restores all those dead ones. A cross reference to the CUF pack contents and the histoical.database file pulled out using Doom's tool and sorted by that ID column would reveal the dead ones as one could sort the CUF pack alphabetically too and scroll side by side down. A lot of those ones are old zombies and not worth changing imo. I'd just delete them because bad or blank is the same from my vantage point. But that kind of curating would take time.

Scipio Africanus once asked me if there are about 25,000 MLB'ers inclusive of the new NeL'ers - what are all the other files? Some are other NeL'ers, *** players, other foreigners, college players, minor leaguers, etc. but there are surely thousands of the old naming convention fgs that have just been carried along as the pack has evolved and grown. As a practical matter, they are extraneous and cause no harm other than being file clutter.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Silvam14 worked with Lukas to populate Historical Minors IDs for the folks that didn't have them in the OOTP database but where there was, in fact, a code on bRef. So, a few months ago a player like Bill Dahlen's fg was saved under his MLB bRef code as the Minors one was blank in the OOTP database. But his work was taken by the developers so that those players now have Minor League fg codes.

He also cleaned out/corrected some of the dead ones (the -joe v. -jos problem) on his personal pack but as has been discussed on his thread, a cut and paste of the current CU facepack restores all those dead ones. A cross reference to the CUF pack contents and the histoical.database file pulled out using Doom's tool and sorted by that ID column would reveal the dead ones as one could sort the CUF pack alphabetically too and scroll side by side down. A lot of those ones are old zombies and not worth changing imo. I'd just delete them because bad or blank is the same from my vantage point. But that kind of curating would take time.

Scipio Africanus once asked me if there are about 25,000 MLB'ers inclusive of the new NeL'ers - what are all the other files? Some are other NeL'ers, *** players, other foreigners, college players, minor leaguers, etc. but there are surely thousands of the old naming convention fgs that have just been carried along as the pack has evolved and grown. As a practical matter, they are extraneous and cause no harm other than being file clutter.

I definitely have a lot of dupes, and maybe trips in mine. Might even be some quads and quints in there. Clutter's a natural byproduct of projects of this magnitude. You also have player and manager facegens for some guys. My file's now pushing 50,000. 49,418 at the moment. The individual files are so small that I don't see the need to clean them up, because even that's a lot of work. I just hope that the good ones aren't being blocked by bad ones.

As an aside, Bill Dahlen not being in the HoF, is a ridiculous oversight as far as I'm concerned. I think he got passed over again this year. A 110 OPS+/108 wRC+, with the type of defensive chops he was said to have possessed, over the course of a 10,000+ PA career, at a premium position, makes his exclusion a complete farce. Noodle bat, with a tremendous glove? Right this way. Above average bat, with a very good glove? I'm sorry, there's no room at the inn for you. 75.2 bWAR, 77.5 fWAR, 39.3 WAA, 4.7 bWAR/650 PA, 4.8 fWAR/650 PA, 2.5 WAA/650 PA, over a 21 year career, at one of the most important positions on the diamond. Help a brother out. What am I missing, man?

[actionjackson]

Here ya go:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/...m1oek5mgdt96vi

I mean, seriously...WTH? Allegedly, not a savoury character, but since when has that been grounds for dismissing a player's chances? You'd have to throw out half (maybe more) of the guys in there, if that were really a reason for exclusion. Character only seems to be an issue for some guys. Others have done more wrong, but can do no wrong. He must've really put the writers' noses out of joint.

[actionjackson]

#9 on this list of all-time shortstops. The three above him? Luke Appling, Ozzie Smith, and Bobby Wallace. The three below him? Barry Larkin, Robin Yount, and Alan Trammell. There's something that those six players have in common, and I can't quite put my finger on it...

http://www.hallofstats.com/position/ss

Ugh. /End of rant

[FancySkunk]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Although I'm a complete mooch on this project, the signature banner is now there. Did you only want people who are actually contributing to have this in their signature, or the more the merrier?

I'm absolutely fine with you using it if you want to. The idea behind having it is to get more eyes on the project, but because I don't really post outside the thread much, the banner doesn't really do its job, lol.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by FancySkunk

I'm absolutely fine with you using it if you want to. The idea behind having it is to get more eyes on the project, but because I don't really post outside the thread much, the banner doesn't really do its job, lol.

I venture a bit further afield than you, but not much. Used to post a bunch in Historical Simulations, but I haven't felt up to it lately, despite my current 34 season OOTP21 save. Sometimes, I'd go into the New to the Game? section, and the General Discussions, but again, not much lately.

Should we checking in with the Google Drive for the CUF Pack, or is it something where you'll give us a heads up when you've put some more in the hopper? Thanks.

[ChrisJNelson]

Is anyone else finding the Google Drive a bit hard to use? (Yes, I realize it was my idea haha!)

If I try to download the folder, zipping seems to take ages and gets hung up at some point, and there's no other way to select all or search files as has previously been mentioned.

I'm wondering if there may be a similar but better host for this.

[actionjackson]

Yeah, it's a bit slow, but it does work in the end. If you can think of something else that would be faster/better, go for it. Not my area of expertise at all, so you'd know better'n me.

[FancySkunk]

Originally Posted by ChrisJNelson

Is anyone else finding the Google Drive a bit hard to use? (Yes, I realize it was my idea haha!)

If I try to download the folder, zipping seems to take ages and gets hung up at some point, and there's no other way to select all or search files as has previously been mentioned.

I'm wondering if there may be a similar but better host for this.

Dang, that's a bit disappointing to hear.

I'm definitely going to try to look into a new site to host this going forward then.

Originally Posted by actionjackson

I venture a bit further afield than you, but not much. Used to post a bunch in Historical Simulations, but I haven't felt up to it lately, despite my current 34 season OOTP21 save. Sometimes, I'd go into the New to the Game? section, and the General Discussions, but again, not much lately.

Should we checking in with the Google Drive for the CUF Pack, or is it something where you'll give us a heads up when you've put some more in the hopper? Thanks.

I'll give a heads up. I had some plans around the holidays so facegen creation is a little on pause for a few days. I think what I'll try doing when I have new facegens is posting a few in-thread with the image format I've been using and just mentioning something like "and 10 more on the drive."

[luckymann]

I think you should consider doing a separate upload with just the new FGs whenever there are enough of them to upload. That means the big main CU pack only needs to be uploaded / downloaded once and then the individual ones added by the person as they want.

Then perhaps on 1 Jan of each year or maybe every 6 months, collect these additions into a new separate file covering that period and start the process again. Only a little more work required but would make the thing less unwieldy because the huge original CU file would only ever need to be DLed once by people and have nothing needed to be done to it by you.

Just my two cents' worth. Appreciate all you are doing here and will do so however you continue to do it.

G

[AESP_pres]

Rick Langford

The one in the database was without facial hair (I prefer with them as it make the player looks less generic) and there was a little shadow... sadly I save it without taking a before capture first.

Probably need some reworking on the upper nose since it's a little bit dark...

[AESP_pres]

Jim Cox

What is in the database for him look to generic to me, so I share what I have for him in my FG database... I did him years ago so I completly forgot what picture I used for this.

I sure don't understand what made him so happy... the team is awful just like his "performances" are, 1 hit in 12AB with a career of .208/.271/.249

Before / After

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally Posted by FancySkunk

Dang, that's a bit disappointing to hear.

I'm definitely going to try to look into a new site to host this going forward then.

FYI, it did eventually work if I left the tab working long enough.

[FancySkunk]

After a bit of thought, the proposed answer I have for the issues is this:

1. Have the full pack available only as a pre-zipped download.
2. Keep anything created after the pack was zipped on google drive, so there's access to download the new stuff individually as it comes out, without having the ton of bloat that having 47000 files in the drive caused.
3. Every so often upload a new full pack zip to replace the one in step one, create a new folder on the drive for facegens created after that point, and then after a week or so grace period delete the folder from step two.

This way I can keep the live update feel we were going for, and keep the full pack quick and easy to access.

New links are in the first post for the full pack pre-zipped, and the new drive folder which is starting with work made in 2022.

Also apologies for the absence... I haven't made a new facegen all year. :P

[FancySkunk]

My current idea for facegen updates is to go through each franchise and check out what we currently have for some of their top players of all time. With that in mind, I've started poking through some of the Braves' all time WAR leaders. These and a few more are ready and waiting in the new drive folder for updates, and I might get through some more later tonight. Here are a couple highlights:

Phil Niekro


Tom Glavine