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I'd go further. Each CBA has its own particular regime in regards to free agency and associated compensation (as well as other rules), and each ought to be replicated as distinct regimes.
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I dug up the list of guys who were not offered arbitration in November, 1905. There is no list of guys who were offered it, so I'm going to assume that anybody who was not on that list was offered arbitration. There were no players from the 27 compensatory free agents on that list. 26 of those players were signed. Only Don Gullett was not. So why is my compensation round just 11 picks long? Also, ten Type A players were signed, so why are there only nine compensatory picks? The Tigers were not given a pick from the Cardinals when the Cardinals signed Preacher Roe. The Cardinals lost three Type A free agents, and got picks for all three of them, yet they don't have to give up a pick for signing Preacher Roe? Confused would be putting it mildly. Baffled is more like it.
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It's possible there's still a bug somewhere. Especially for a team like the Cards who lost 3 type As but signed 2 others, maybe something got lost in how the picks transferred. Maybe there was an issue with transferring picks after the season started? You've posted when everyone signed, if you can post the first few rounds of the draft, maybe we can work our way through and figure out what happened here. |
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Ok, here are the first four rounds of the draft plus the supplemental round. This represents all of the rounds where at least one compensatory pick was given up by one team to another team. One thing to note is that this is the draft order as of September 17th, 1906 (draft pool reveal day). Therefore, the draft order will be rearranged once the offseason begins prior to the November 1st draft date in order to reflect the final standings of 1906. I guess I should probably post the draft order as of the first day of the offseason as well, just to cover all the bases. I did notice in the 1905 draft, that there were 12 compensatory picks (not supplemental round, but picks where one team gave up its pick to another) on this date in 1905. This number dropped to 8 when the first day of the 1905/1906 offseason arrived, which was another head scratcher for me. Obviously I can't go back and look up what the draft order looked like on these dates in 1905, so we'll have to work with what we've got here. I also can't go back and look up the free agent pool for the 1904/1905 season and what Type As and Type Bs there were and where they went and where they had played before, just mentioning that I did find the change from 12 to 8 a bit weird.
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Having read the relevant passages in the CBAs prior to 2012-16 agreement, my understanding of it is that ONLY regular draft picks are subject to being given to another club for signing that other club's free agent. The supplementary round picks, or as the CBA refers to them, 'special' picks, are NOT subject to being given to other clubs in compensation.
If OOTP is indeed giving away supplementary round picks as compensation for lost free agents, it should not be doing so when using CBA rules prior to the 2012-16 agreement. |
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It's all a bit murky to me. I would think there should be 10 compensatory picks scattered throughout the first few rounds, depending on how greedy teams were with free agents, and whether or not they had a protected pick, and 26 supplemental round picks handed out, but not taken from other teams. At least that would seem to me to be the most logical way to do it, but I could be completely off my rocker. Not the first time, won't be the last. EDIT: Actually, that would be 25 supplemental round picks because Dave Revering left the Pirates, and signed with...the Pirates.
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But...In your second example, what happens to the pick that STL should've gotten from NYY? Factoring in that the Yankees have already lost a pick to BOS as a result of them signing a STL free agent, and that pick being STL's highest unprotected pick. Surely you can't make NYY give up two picks for signing one free agent. Yet if you don't, STL is S.O.L. and they don't get compensation for losing a free agent to NYY.
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In real life, there was also a quota system, where a club could only sign a certain number of Type A or B free agents based on the total number of free agents that off-season. The exception to this was that a club was also permitted to sign as many free agents as it lost. Those were the real-world procedures. Not sure how closely OOTP mimicked all this. |
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Out of curiosity, from an OOTP perspective, has anyone had success bundling not quite major league quality prospects in exchange for high price expiring contracts at the trade deadline, forcing the dealing team to retain all or most of the salary, for the purpose of acquiring additional 1st round supplemental picks?
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What's interesting is that the same free agent system was used from 1990 to 2006 (and it probably started with 1985; I can't confirm that, but if fits with the data I do have). There were a few tweaks over that time, but no major changes. Then the 2007-11 CBA put in some notable changes, the system was changed again in the 2012-16 CBA; the current CBA is generally similar to the prior one. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 06-17-2018 at 01:39 PM. |
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Yeah, I'm confused by this too. Can you send over your league file? I think I need to step through internally what's going on here to understand things
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Never sent league file before. Brief how-to would help. Went ahead and held the draft anyway, giving out 10 compensatory picks for the ten type A guys, and 25 picks in the supplemental round (27, with no pick for Revering [re-signed with Pirates] or Gullett [did not sign]). Had to re-organize draft order to do that, and thanks to the handy dandy export/import feature I was able to do that pretty easily.
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Would have rather had the files from before the draft If you still have an autosave folder from before, or a backup from before the draft, that would be perfect. |
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I can copy the .zip folder from my computer, but for some reason it's not allowing me to paste it to the FTP site.
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