1871

scott1964 · 03-19-2018, 06:28 PM

I was starting a Start of Baseball from 1871 and found this. Fianlly it is a start.

The Game · 03-19-2018, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scott1964

I was starting a Start of Baseball from 1871 and found this. Fianlly it is a start.

the extra team? Wasnt that in 17 or 18? Not sure what you are seeing.

Bigrod · 03-19-2018, 09:19 PM

Nope it's ootp 19 National Association had 9 teams. We changed things to match real life as much as possible.
and if I rmem. correctly 1872 go to 11 teams.

The Game · 03-20-2018, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigrod

Nope it's ootp 19 National Association had 9 teams. We changed things to match real life as much as possible.
and if I rmem. correctly 1872 go to 11 teams.

So thats just one subleague now and not AL vs NL like it used to be?

Bigrod · 03-20-2018, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Game

So thats just one subleague now and not AL vs NL like it used to be?

No these single lgs. are split into 2 subleagues:
Using 1871 as an example IRL there was a single 9 team league (National Association). As OOTP requires two leagues this league has been split into a 4 and a 5 team league. These leagues have been stitched back together using the Inter-League function built into OOTP. Each team plays each other team 4 times. This results in a 32 game schedule. The teams.csv file can now be followed in the 19th century the same way it is followed from 1901-2017.

The update to the 19th century allows for much more realistic play for the casual player while still allowing those who are sticklers for exact historical detail to continue as they always have. The 19th century also no longer requires a draft 1871-1900. The option for having players go to their IRL teams is now possible if OOTP ever wishes to implement it.

Since ootp can't create schedules for an odd number of teams and the old schedules became useless, I taught Spritze all one needs to know about schedules and he created special schedules for these changes.
The changes made were for 1871-1881. For 1882 to present. The built in schedules work just fine.

Unfortunately, those schedules didn't make it in ootp in time, but you can get them in this thread:
19th Century Schedules

You'll also need to check and make sure the leagues schedule options for 1871-1881 match the above schedules. Pretty sure it's just Balanced games enabled, Interleague play enabled and number of games (# of games can be found in the second line of the schedules).
Spritze can explain the changes better than I so I hope this all makes sense.

Bigrod · 03-20-2018, 07:52 AM

One more thing we added for historicals, are R/L splits for batting, SB/CS against pitchers and zone rating (Dwar, Rtot) for defense.
These are as far back as I could find the data.
OOTP 19 uses this data and where the data isn't available, it uses the old default calculations.
Enjoy

The Game · 03-20-2018, 03:19 PM

Did contraction make it into the game? Will Chicago be vacant from 1872 - 1876? What happens with the Haymakers after 1872?

scott1964 · 03-20-2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Did contraction make it into the game? Will Chicago be vacant from 1872 - 1876? What happens with the Haymakers after 1872?

I will find out after the season ends. I did find one interesting tidbit. Notice Troy and NY are sort of but not really tied.

scott1964 · 03-20-2018, 05:09 PM

Tidbit

scott1964 · 03-20-2018, 05:15 PM

Expansion Draft

scott1964 · 03-20-2018, 05:31 PM

Chicago turned into the Middletown Mansfield

swampdragon · 03-20-2018, 06:20 PM

I wonder who they will be in 1873. They go back to being Chicago in 1874.

AESP_pres · 03-20-2018, 07:00 PM

Probably the Elizabeth Resolutes since they were alive just one season...

Spritze · 03-20-2018, 07:14 PM

The Chicago players will also return to the White Stockings when it refires up. You probably noticed that the Chicago franchise continued even though the team names changed.

scott1964 · 03-20-2018, 10:21 PM

1873 Season

Bigrod · 03-21-2018, 12:43 PM

Just a note guys...the missing schedules and structure stuff for 19th century was fixed today and will be in the release tomorrow.

and as you advance yrs. from 1871 schedules should auto import and all be fine.

BaseballMan · 03-21-2018, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scott1964

Chicago turned into the Middletown Mansfield

You can get the team changes like the real leagues by doing the following.
1. Edit the teams csv file by changing all league ids to match the league the team was in real life. I use AL for American Association teams.
You will have to disable playoffs or make a custom one league only playoff.

2. Copy all the teamids to franchids in the teams csv.

3. Change the franch ids in the team settings within the game to match the franjchids in the teams csv.

The next year the league should be the same as the real leagues.
Rookies should go to correct teams.
I think you will need to check the franchids in the game for the new expansion teams. It seems like the one year teams like Middletown Mansfields will automatically follow the changes made in the teams csv file but with teams that played more than one year will need to be edited manually within the game.

It seems like you cant change the games leagues setup when creating a league so you might want to make a backup or a quickstart after editing the league.

BaseballMan · 03-21-2018, 06:48 PM

So far so good. Looks like i can run a 19th century league like i was able to with 17. I know its not perfect but great job for those who worked on the 19th century play. Might be my newest favorite version.

Spritze · 03-21-2018, 07:21 PM

We tried to nail your requests from the 18 bug report forum. It pays to post there.

scott1964 · 03-22-2018, 10:34 PM

1874 Teams:
Elizabeth Resolutes become Hartford Dark Blues
Baltimore Maylands become Chicago White Stockings

03-19-2018, 06:28 PM	#1
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	1871 I was starting a Start of Baseball from 1871 and found this. Fianlly it is a start. __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

03-19-2018, 09:19 PM	#3
Bigrod OOTP Stats Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Maine Posts: 3,075	Nope it's ootp 19 National Association had 9 teams. We changed things to match real life as much as possible. and if I rmem. correctly 1872 go to 11 teams. Last edited by Bigrod; 03-19-2018 at 09:28 PM.

03-20-2018, 07:52 AM	#6
Bigrod OOTP Stats Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Maine Posts: 3,075	One more thing we added for historicals, are R/L splits for batting, SB/CS against pitchers and zone rating (Dwar, Rtot) for defense. These are as far back as I could find the data. OOTP 19 uses this data and where the data isn't available, it uses the old default calculations. Enjoy Last edited by Bigrod; 03-20-2018 at 07:54 AM.

03-20-2018, 03:19 PM	#7
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03-20-2018, 05:09 PM	#9
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	Tidbit __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

03-20-2018, 05:15 PM	#10
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	Expansion Draft __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

03-20-2018, 05:31 PM	#11
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	Chicago turned into the Middletown Mansfield __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

03-20-2018, 06:20 PM	#12
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	I wonder who they will be in 1873. They go back to being Chicago in 1874. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

03-20-2018, 07:00 PM	#13
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,708 Blog Entries: 25	Probably the Elizabeth Resolutes since they were alive just one season... __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959)

03-20-2018, 07:14 PM	#14
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	The Chicago players will also return to the White Stockings when it refires up. You probably noticed that the Chicago franchise continued even though the team names changed. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-20-2018, 10:21 PM	#15
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	1873 Season __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

03-21-2018, 12:43 PM	#16
Bigrod OOTP Stats Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Maine Posts: 3,075	Just a note guys...the missing schedules and structure stuff for 19th century was fixed today and will be in the release tomorrow. and as you advance yrs. from 1871 schedules should auto import and all be fine.

03-21-2018, 06:48 PM	#18
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,271	So far so good. Looks like i can run a 19th century league like i was able to with 17. I know its not perfect but great job for those who worked on the 19th century play. Might be my newest favorite version. Attached Images

03-21-2018, 07:21 PM	#19
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	We tried to nail your requests from the 18 bug report forum. It pays to post there. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-22-2018, 10:34 PM	#20
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	1874 Teams: Elizabeth Resolutes become Hartford Dark Blues Baltimore Maylands become Chicago White Stockings __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.