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Old 04-17-2016, 01:12 PM   #21
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Recalc gets a bum rap. The idea that if you use recalc you will exactly recreate history, which is boring, doesn't take natural statistical variability into account. There's more than enough natural variability to provide suspense, particularly with the pitchers. And the pennant races won't all go to the same teams. A three game spread in the standings is nothing in the context of a 162 game season.
I definitely agree- recalc does not reproduce history 100% exactly and you will find some interesting surprises because of the statistical variability. Every decision that deviates from what happened in real life (player trades, call ups/send downs, free agent signings, etc.) will cause events and results to differ from what actually happened. From what I understand, the career arc for players with the OOTP dev engine will be more variable compared to recalc, meaning that there is a higher likelihood that superstar players in real life might not follow the same trajectory in your sim universe, especially if they are developing first through the minor leagues. Without question, using recalc means that the development paths of players will be relatively consistent to real life (with the statistical variability thrown in that adds an element of unpredictability) but that does not mean that the game will become too predictable to the point that simming would be pointless and, hence, less fun.
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:25 PM   #22
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One thing I would recommend when not using recalc is to choose the option to base pitcher stamina on ENTIRE CAREER instead of imported season or 3 years. That way guys that may start out as relievers(Curt Schilling-Pedro Martinez are two examples) won't end up being career relievers in your sim.
This is probably my problem. Where can I find this setting?
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:50 PM   #23
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This is probably my problem. Where can I find this setting?
Game settings, historical menu, right side of screen. It's also part of the historical creation wizard when you select blue show advanced options
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:03 PM   #24
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Interesting discussion. I'm curious what the experts on this thread think. Now that we have historical minors, have those of you who use recalc changed from 1- to 3- to 5-year recalc one way or the other? I like to play both ways (pure development engine and w/ recalc) from time to time. With the old majors-only historical, I usually went with 3-year recalc. Does the addition of minor league stats change your thoughts on recal? Just curious.
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Old 04-18-2016, 09:38 PM   #25
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I am curious about the same thing and I know that there are people who know the ins and outs better when it comes to 1,3,5-year recalc versus the development engine (or a combination of both). Historically, I always liked 1-year recalc the best but (I could be wrong on this), this provides the most predictability. For OOTP 17, I have only played with the development engine on because I wanted there to be more surprises with minor league prospects instead of "writing off" those who I knew did not develop into major leaguers, let alone star players.
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Old 04-22-2016, 09:30 AM   #26
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Just wanted to pop in and more that I've been doing a similar sim (but with stamina based on career) and both Bunning and Koufax are top pitchers

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Old 05-08-2016, 09:44 PM   #27
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Generally since I've played OOTP I play historical sims. I tend to get great results "out of the box" with the only major tweak being to assign rookies to their original teams.
Now with historical minors I am keen to see how this plays out.

I'm up to 1950 now and the only difference I see is maybe one or two minor leaguers became stars in the seasons I've simmed. It's been great fun, but I've seen very little drop in standards from those I expected to perform. The stars in real life are the stars in my universe.

The teams are a little different if only as GM of the Giants I raided the Dodgers and the Braves so they are not as strong as say my Giants. In the American, New York, Boston and Cleveland are the powerhouses, in the NL it's my Giants, the Phillies and the surprising Cubs.

The biggest anomaly to come from the minor leagues is Short stop Olney Patterson (24) came up in 1947 is a young stud with the Yankees and a 3 time all star and has already won a World Championship with the Yankees.

This has made Phil Rizzuto, now 33 a reserve, yet Rizzuto performed better than his real life counterpart in 1946 and 1947.

Olney existed in real life of course but I see no stats for him. This could mean that those players who import with no stats get some kind of random talent rating, but if anything it makes it fun.

Other minor leaguers imported in 1946 with zero stats include Ray Piano, an expert at getting on base, who as a back up outfielder has won two world series rings in 1947 and 1950 with the Red Sox.

Another is Eugene Clough, who came up with the Cubs in '46 to become stolen base champion in '46 and '47, though not a star and now toiling with the lowly St.Louis Browns he is a success story for historical minors.

Dick Greco is another historical minor leaguer who has become an All Star. up in '46 he has become a big swinging All Star with the Cubs in '47, '48, '49 and '50 with the Cubs.

George Sawyer broke his kneecap in '46 and did not make a mark until '47. He has roamed center field for the Cardinals. He hits for a decent average but is famous for being hit by pitches. The Don Baylor of his time.

Pitcher George Brown had stats on import but IRL did not make the bigs. He has just made a breakthrough in 1950 going 14-7 for the Dodgers and has just led the league in k/9 with 7 as a relief specialist.

Neb Wilson came up in '46 with the Pirates. He is a 4 time All Star. He is a career .285 hitter and a former Golden Glove winner in '48. Currently coming off a two dissapointing seasons with the Giants, however Neb never made it to the bigs IRL so anything is a bonus.

So Olney, Greco and Wilson are the historical minor leaguers to make an serious impact on the universe and they never made it seems and appearance IRL.

The only "Disappointment" from what I can see so far is Bob Feller who in my universe went 21-13 in '46, 28-7 in '47, 20-10 in '48, 24-8 in '49 being an All Star in all years and he pitched a NO HITTER in '46.

The disappointment is that he injured his shoulder in the stretch run in '49 and after going 11-5. (5.90) for Cleveland in 1950 was released in mid season! "Rapid Robert" now pitches in my organisation going 1-4 (6.75) for the AAA Jersey City Giants. What a fall off!

There are some other nice surpises too,

Boston's Tex Hughson has developed into a Hall Of Fame pitcher, he is 35 now at the end of the 1950 season and has been the ace on the hill in Boston's two World Series triumphs in '47 and '50. His record is;

1946, 21-8 (2.31, 204 K's)
1947, 26-5 (2.23)
1948, 22-10 (3.06)
1949, 21-10 (2.61)
1950, 28-6 (2.52, 196K's)

So far so good playing historical, historical minor leagues, development engine on, rookies assigned. the historical minor leagues are a ton of fun, you kind of get the similar feeling you do with fictional leagues....you just never know who is going to turn into a stud! (I play stars off) Hope this helps.

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