Is batter fatigue based on partial days?

jmknpk2 · 11-01-2007, 12:26 AM

I have noticed that if my batter is tired and I sit him but let him come in for one pinch hit, that it appears as if he did not have any rest that day (he remains tired the next day).

This leads me to believe that the batter fatigue algorithm is based on games played rather than "innings played" or "plate appearances" like the "pitches thrown" algorithm for pitchers.

Does anyone know for sure whether the batter fatigue is only based on entire days?

I am wondering also if resting my regulars in the late innings of a game helps reduce their fatigue.

Kelric · 11-01-2007, 01:48 AM

It is based on entire days. One pinch hit counts as getting no rest whatsoever. Resting them in the late innings won't do any good either.

jasonn29tn14 · 11-01-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelric

It is based on entire days. One pinch hit counts as getting no rest whatsoever. Resting them in the late innings won't do any good either.

This is something I would really like to see changed for next year's version.....

jarmenia · 11-01-2007, 11:29 AM

I think this is incorrect. I had a player at 75% just the other day. I sat him out of the starting line up but then used him to pinch hit later in the game. After the game he was still at 75% but when I advanced to the next day he was back at 100% rested.

Doctor No · 11-01-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

I think this is incorrect. I had a player at 75% just the other day. I sat him out of the starting line up but then used him to pinch hit later in the game. After the game he was still at 75% but when I advanced to the next day he was back at 100% rested.

My experience is similar to the original poster's. It seems to be all-or-nothing.

zukes · 11-01-2007, 02:03 PM

I agree, this is something that needs to be changed. I think sitting out regulars in blow-outs for a rest should work. Or a guy getting a rest until the 9thi nning of a close game and coming into pinch hit. It should be based on PA's rather than games.

BusterKing · 11-01-2007, 02:26 PM

So then comes the argument, a PA involving a hit is more tiring then a PA that involves a walk?

I all seriousness, how can batters get tired for playing as little as they do in 2 1/2 hours of baseball? I can see pitchers getting tired, but getting tired playing baseball... that's really a joke.

jasonn29tn14 · 11-02-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zukes

I agree, this is something that needs to be changed. I think sitting out regulars in blow-outs for a rest should work. Or a guy getting a rest until the 9thi nning of a close game and coming into pinch hit. It should be based on PA's rather than games.

NO - not plate appearances. It should track innings played, either offensively, or defensively. Pinch hitting in the 7th and finishing the game should count as 3 innings played, etc. The current system is seriously flawed.

akw4572 · 11-02-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonn29tn14

NO - not plate appearances. It should track innings played, either offensively, or defensively. Pinch hitting in the 7th and finishing the game should count as 3 innings played, etc. The current system is seriously flawed.

Agree, base it on innings. I'd love to see this changed.

Hazza · 11-03-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

So then comes the argument, a PA involving a hit is more tiring then a PA that involves a walk?

I all seriousness, how can batters get tired for playing as little as they do in 2 1/2 hours of baseball? I can see pitchers getting tired, but getting tired playing baseball... that's really a joke.

Playing a game one night, hoping on a plane and arriving on the other coast in the wee hours of the morning, getting up practicing and warming up, playing a game, getting as much sleep as you can because you've then got annother 1pm start the next day...

How can that not tire you out?

Doctor No · 11-03-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hazza

Playing a game one night, hoping on a plane and arriving on the other coast in the wee hours of the morning, getting up practicing and warming up, playing a game, getting as much sleep as you can because you've then got annother 1pm start the next day...

How can that not tire you out?

Plus, it's all relative. "Fatigued" doesn't mean that you feel like after staying up all night eating Fritos and playing Doom. "Fatigued" means that, relative to other highly-skilled athletes at the top of their profession, you're a bit off. And at that level, it makes a difference.

RchW · 11-03-2007, 06:28 PM

Has anyone quantified the effect of batters playing tired? There is lots of anecdotal comment about reduced effectiveness and higher possibility of injury. I don't play out enough games to be sure of any effect.

I would prefer an effectiveness rating that is tied to health (injury) and fatigue. Baseball is a real marathon and the best players perform well even when tired or injured. From listening to various players over the years, no one plays at 100% from about the end of May during a season. This would also allow injuries to be more realistic. How many players come back 100%, in season, from a severe knee or shoulder injury?

It would also be much more realistic if, during a pennant race game in September, your starting lineup had no one at 100%. If certain players had an effectiveness rating over 100 (or 1.00) they would perform at a higher level. Conversely players with a reduced effectiveness rating would perform below their apparent ability.

Just my

Hotstreak · 02-10-2014, 09:58 PM

So this is still basically not fixed I see after like 7 years...AI put my shorstop in for the 9th inning last game not he's still fatigued and I have to sit him out AGAIN.

Yeah...that makes sense....

11-01-2007, 12:26 AM	#1
jmknpk2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 982	Is batter fatigue based on partial days? I have noticed that if my batter is tired and I sit him but let him come in for one pinch hit, that it appears as if he did not have any rest that day (he remains tired the next day). This leads me to believe that the batter fatigue algorithm is based on games played rather than "innings played" or "plate appearances" like the "pitches thrown" algorithm for pitchers. Does anyone know for sure whether the batter fatigue is only based on entire days? I am wondering also if resting my regulars in the late innings of a game helps reduce their fatigue.

11-01-2007, 11:29 AM	#4
jarmenia Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL USA Posts: 4,503	I think this is incorrect. I had a player at 75% just the other day. I sat him out of the starting line up but then used him to pinch hit later in the game. After the game he was still at 75% but when I advanced to the next day he was back at 100% rested. __________________ When is good enough, good enough?

11-01-2007, 02:26 PM	#7
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,369	So then comes the argument, a PA involving a hit is more tiring then a PA that involves a walk? I all seriousness, how can batters get tired for playing as little as they do in 2 1/2 hours of baseball? I can see pitchers getting tired, but getting tired playing baseball... that's really a joke. Last edited by BusterKing; 11-01-2007 at 02:27 PM.

11-03-2007, 06:28 PM	#12
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The big smoke Posts: 15,628	Has anyone quantified the effect of batters playing tired? There is lots of anecdotal comment about reduced effectiveness and higher possibility of injury. I don't play out enough games to be sure of any effect. I would prefer an effectiveness rating that is tied to health (injury) and fatigue. Baseball is a real marathon and the best players perform well even when tired or injured. From listening to various players over the years, no one plays at 100% from about the end of May during a season. This would also allow injuries to be more realistic. How many players come back 100%, in season, from a severe knee or shoulder injury? It would also be much more realistic if, during a pennant race game in September, your starting lineup had no one at 100%. If certain players had an effectiveness rating over 100 (or 1.00) they would perform at a higher level. Conversely players with a reduced effectiveness rating would perform below their apparent ability. Just my __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

11-01-2007, 01:48 AM	#2
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	It is based on entire days. One pinch hit counts as getting no rest whatsoever. Resting them in the late innings won't do any good either.

11-01-2007, 02:03 PM	#6
zukes All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 1,105	I agree, this is something that needs to be changed. I think sitting out regulars in blow-outs for a rest should work. Or a guy getting a rest until the 9thi nning of a close game and coming into pinch hit. It should be based on PA's rather than games.

02-10-2014, 09:58 PM	#13
Hotstreak Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 24	So this is still basically not fixed I see after like 7 years...AI put my shorstop in for the 9th inning last game not he's still fatigued and I have to sit him out AGAIN. Yeah...that makes sense....