Pitcher stamina

samoka10 · 03-30-2013, 02:06 PM

Does it really matter? What is cutoff to be an effective starter? I've seen one you pitcher traded (who only had 8 stamina) put up a sub 3 era with over 200 inning pitched.........how is that possible with such low stamina? does stamina matter for starters?

RchW · 03-30-2013, 02:35 PM

Stamina matters a lot. What is your ratings scale? The number 8 means nothing without it.

A screen shot would help.

samoka10 · 03-30-2013, 02:51 PM

the rating system is out of 20.....and he had a 3.75 era with about 216 innings pitched
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samoka10 · 03-30-2013, 03:01 PM

if i knew he could do that i would have kept him

samoka10 · 03-30-2013, 03:13 PM

any idea how 8 of 20 stamina is good enough to be a 200 inning starter

RchW · 03-30-2013, 03:27 PM

His stats and visible ratings suggest he is a stud GB power pitcher throwing mid 90's.

216 inning in 34 starts is 6.35 innings per start. If his stuff is as good as the numbers suggest he'll get many DP and other GB that help reduce pitches/AB. It seems to me he is a classic modern thrower good for 6 innings per start.

samoka10 · 03-30-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

His stats and visible ratings suggest he is a stud GB power pitcher throwing mid 90's.

216 inning in 34 starts is 6.35 innings per start. If his stuff is as good as the numbers suggest he'll get many DP and other GB that help reduce pitches/AB. It seems to me he is a classic modern thrower good for 6 innings per start.

so 8 stamina gets you a 6 inning starter?......so why bother worrying about starting pitcher stamina

RchW · 03-30-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by samoka10

if i knew he could do that i would have kept him

The infield defense behind him has to be good. Did he even start for you? I'd bet he was a two pitch pitcher in the minors. In real life, many players don't generate stats that tell you what they can be.

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any idea how 8 of 20 stamina is good enough to be a 200 inning starter

He may have gotten a boost on his third pitch. Think logically, if he has a good changeup to go with his stud fastball he could generate weak GB all the time. Notice that he only K's 6.3 per 9 innings. The low K rate clearly supports my previous analysis.

RchW · 03-30-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by samoka10

so 8 stamina gets you a 6 inning starter?......so why bother worrying about starting pitcher stamina

You are not reading what I wrote. If he has poor IF defense he is nothing. You don't know what ratings boosts he may have gotten.

Why be hostile?

samoka10 · 03-30-2013, 03:53 PM

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You are not reading what I wrote. If he has poor IF defense he is nothing. You don't know what ratings boosts he may have gotten.

Why be hostile?

not being hostile.....im just frustrated...... i understand what your saying about how he can be successful......

but i just dont see how this guy can go 200+ innings

samoka10 · 03-30-2013, 03:59 PM

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RchW · 03-30-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by samoka10

not being hostile.....im just frustrated...... i understand what your saying about how he can be successful......

but i just dont see how this guy can go 200+ innings

If batters don't make good contact, you don't walk too many or allow too many HR, success is almost assured.

He could be out of baseball in 2-3 seasons.

Peregrine · 03-30-2013, 04:13 PM

From what I've seen, the best way to compare a low stamina guy with a higher stamina guy is to look at his pitching log from a given season - that way you can see every start, how many innings he went, and get an idea if he has to be pulled because of tiredness or because of giving up too many runs, etc.

Also, if you believe pitcher stamina is worthless, you can try what I did - look at your player search for pitchers who had the highest innings pitched in a season and customize it to include their stamina - in my league I saw a very rare low stamina pitcher who had put in some good innings, but they are by far the exception, not the rule. At the top of the list are high to medium stamina guys, with an occasional lower stamina guy lower on the list - it's far from a random distribution.

In my opinion there is no cutoff for a good starter - if I have a guy who looks dominant I will try to start him even with a low stamina - I might put him on a pitch limit but I will give him a try - maybe one season he will do well, another not so well. For me the combination of a pitch limit and being a bit quicker with the hook in his personal strategy can help a low stamina starter be more useful.

RchW · 03-30-2013, 04:42 PM

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From what I've seen, the best way to compare a low stamina guy with a higher stamina guy is to look at his pitching log from a given season - that way you can see every start, how many innings he went, and get an idea if he has to be pulled because of tiredness or because of giving up too many runs, etc.

I'd say compare him to existing players in the game today. There are several in this list who are obvious analogues.

I'd say numbers 2, 3, 4, 5 on that list are obvious. Only 3 CG between the 4 of them.

03-30-2013, 02:06 PM	#1
samoka10 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 19	Pitcher stamina Does it really matter? What is cutoff to be an effective starter? I've seen one you pitcher traded (who only had 8 stamina) put up a sub 3 era with over 200 inning pitched.........how is that possible with such low stamina? does stamina matter for starters?

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samoka10 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 19	the rating system is out of 20.....and he had a 3.75 era with about 216 innings pitched Last edited by samoka10; 03-30-2013 at 03:23 PM.

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03-30-2013, 03:27 PM	#6
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The big smoke Posts: 15,628	His stats and visible ratings suggest he is a stud GB power pitcher throwing mid 90's. 216 inning in 34 starts is 6.35 innings per start. If his stuff is as good as the numbers suggest he'll get many DP and other GB that help reduce pitches/AB. It seems to me he is a classic modern thrower good for 6 innings per start. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

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samoka10 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 19	check out with ratings shown a year later

03-30-2013, 04:13 PM	#13
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	From what I've seen, the best way to compare a low stamina guy with a higher stamina guy is to look at his pitching log from a given season - that way you can see every start, how many innings he went, and get an idea if he has to be pulled because of tiredness or because of giving up too many runs, etc. Also, if you believe pitcher stamina is worthless, you can try what I did - look at your player search for pitchers who had the highest innings pitched in a season and customize it to include their stamina - in my league I saw a very rare low stamina pitcher who had put in some good innings, but they are by far the exception, not the rule. At the top of the list are high to medium stamina guys, with an occasional lower stamina guy lower on the list - it's far from a random distribution. In my opinion there is no cutoff for a good starter - if I have a guy who looks dominant I will try to start him even with a low stamina - I might put him on a pitch limit but I will give him a try - maybe one season he will do well, another not so well. For me the combination of a pitch limit and being a bit quicker with the hook in his personal strategy can help a low stamina starter be more useful. Last edited by Peregrine; 03-30-2013 at 04:32 PM.