Playing with Spritze

Trebro · 09-27-2014, 05:56 PM

So I've been having some fun running some sims from 1871-1901 using Spritze's database.

It's interesting to see what happens when you play with using real or neutralized stats and whether you use recalc or not.

For example, if you use real stats with no recalc, home runs explode a bit, and the top players are people you don't hear of (Bob Gamble wins over 300 games, one-time HR wonder Billy Klusman hits over 300 HRs). Meanwhile, Cy Young is a schlub scraping by.

But if you go with neutralized stats and recalc (even at 5 years to keep it away from being too close to real life), Mr. Young's at 220 wins and counting, the top HR person only has 110 all time, and it ends up being closer to history, with less "Who was that?" moments.

Neutralized stats with no recalc, by the way, ended up pretty close to real stats with no recalc. The best historical players did pretty poorly, while those who played briefly but had good years dominated.

I should add that in all these cases, I told the AI to go with 0% weight to ratings, 50% to current year, 37% to 1 year, 17% to 2 years, per Wolf's suggestion to ease up on dumping people for rookies.

I'm honestly not sure which I like better. On the one hand, there's something to be said for getting a really different history, but at the end of the day, I'm not sure I want 30 HR in the 1890s and if the historical players aren't going to be competitive with lesser known peers, I may as well go full fictional.

I'm curious what settings others use, and how they find their results to be, especially those of you doing historical dynasties.

stl jason · 09-29-2014, 01:35 PM

had that same thing with Billy Klusman as well (I think it was the 1890 season in my replay where he hit 54 HRs). Another one who had crazy high power levels in that same period was Hunkey Hines (but he "only" managed to pop 35 in that same year).

Spritze · 09-29-2014, 04:58 PM

I choose to base fielding ratings on career as there may be a bug in OOTP that can play havoc with first baseman if you choose the 3 year option. It seems to come and go from time to time.

As far as HR's go be most pleased to keep in mind that OOTP does not differentiate betwixt Inside the Park and Outside the Park HR's. For their careers Hines=10 HR's per 550 AB's and Klusman=16. Both have a high of 30 or more in the Western League of the mid-1890's. Both have speed ratings in excess of 150 on a 100=average scale.

Trebro · 09-29-2014, 11:22 PM

I hope it did not sound like complaining! I was just wondering how the different settings changed the outcome. Was interesting to me that without recalc, lesser known players did better, because of how development works.

The database is amazing and means far more can be done with alternative historicals...your original goal, correct?

Spritze · 09-30-2014, 01:27 AM

Did not sound like a complaint. Sounded like you used it as intended.

It is supposed to be a "How do you like them apples!" semi-historical database. You just never know, you know.

09-27-2014, 05:56 PM	#1
Trebro All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 753 Blog Entries: 1	Playing with Spritze So I've been having some fun running some sims from 1871-1901 using Spritze's database. It's interesting to see what happens when you play with using real or neutralized stats and whether you use recalc or not. For example, if you use real stats with no recalc, home runs explode a bit, and the top players are people you don't hear of (Bob Gamble wins over 300 games, one-time HR wonder Billy Klusman hits over 300 HRs). Meanwhile, Cy Young is a schlub scraping by. But if you go with neutralized stats and recalc (even at 5 years to keep it away from being too close to real life), Mr. Young's at 220 wins and counting, the top HR person only has 110 all time, and it ends up being closer to history, with less "Who was that?" moments. Neutralized stats with no recalc, by the way, ended up pretty close to real stats with no recalc. The best historical players did pretty poorly, while those who played briefly but had good years dominated. I should add that in all these cases, I told the AI to go with 0% weight to ratings, 50% to current year, 37% to 1 year, 17% to 2 years, per Wolf's suggestion to ease up on dumping people for rookies. I'm honestly not sure which I like better. On the one hand, there's something to be said for getting a really different history, but at the end of the day, I'm not sure I want 30 HR in the 1890s and if the historical players aren't going to be competitive with lesser known peers, I may as well go full fictional. I'm curious what settings others use, and how they find their results to be, especially those of you doing historical dynasties. Last edited by Trebro; 09-27-2014 at 05:57 PM. Reason: more details

09-29-2014, 04:58 PM	#3
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	I choose to base fielding ratings on career as there may be a bug in OOTP that can play havoc with first baseman if you choose the 3 year option. It seems to come and go from time to time. As far as HR's go be most pleased to keep in mind that OOTP does not differentiate betwixt Inside the Park and Outside the Park HR's. For their careers Hines=10 HR's per 550 AB's and Klusman=16. Both have a high of 30 or more in the Western League of the mid-1890's. Both have speed ratings in excess of 150 on a 100=average scale. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! Last edited by Spritze; 09-29-2014 at 05:01 PM.

09-30-2014, 01:27 AM	#5
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	Did not sound like a complaint. Sounded like you used it as intended. It is supposed to be a "How do you like them apples!" semi-historical database. You just never know, you know. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

09-29-2014, 01:35 PM	#2
stl jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,943	had that same thing with Billy Klusman as well (I think it was the 1890 season in my replay where he hit 54 HRs). Another one who had crazy high power levels in that same period was Hunkey Hines (but he "only" managed to pop 35 in that same year).

09-29-2014, 11:22 PM	#4
Trebro All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 753 Blog Entries: 1	I hope it did not sound like complaining! I was just wondering how the different settings changed the outcome. Was interesting to me that without recalc, lesser known players did better, because of how development works. The database is amazing and means far more can be done with alternative historicals...your original goal, correct?