Krantzbucks pics to colorize - Page 8

brobby05 · 06-18-2012, 08:34 PM

Here's the 1974 Ron Diorio. Please give me your feedback. My last Phillie is the 1974 Dave Wallace. I need some advice on the glasses.

Thanks,

BRobby05

krantzbucks · 06-19-2012, 12:28 PM

Angel Remy Hermoso 1974 Indians.

This is a fairly nice image for colorizing. The player image is sharp with good resolution of the face and uniform. The background isn't great though. The sky is washed out and almost plain white and the tree line is a bit blurry. The bat is also very undefined.
I decided in this case to start with the background. The first thing I did was trace the outline of the trees at the bottom. I then selected a nice dark green to try to hide the lack of detail. This remains a weak part of the image.
Next, I traced under Hermoso's arms and over the tree line and chose a bluish gray for the sky. I then traced around Hermoso so that I could finish the background. I made a bit of a mistake here as I forgot the top portion of the bat. When I got to the part of the bat between Hermoso's hands and where it disappeared behind his face I discovered that there is no discernible line on the left side of the bat. This led me to have to make a guess about the outline, so I attempted to follow the way the bat widens as it gets longer.I colored in the sky the same bluish gray I had used before, but found it was lacking in detail. There are some options in the "Filters" drop-down menu at the top of GIMP to add noise and blurs. One of these choices is "render" and to the left is "clouds." I chose the last option "solid noise" and then chose colorize and used the sliders to get a blue-gray color to try to match the sky in-between the arms.
Then I opened a second copy of the original black and white image. At the top, I traced around the side of the bat that has a line and then I had to fudge the other side, flipping back to the other image for reference. When I was satisfied, I cut and pasted the black and white bat-barrel into my work-in-progress. Third try was the charm.

krantzbucks · 06-19-2012, 12:32 PM

After getting the 1974 Indians reference uniform from 'Dressed to the Nines', I decided that Hermoso was wearing a home uniform based on the whiteness of the uniform. I traced around the hat and colored it a nice deep blue. After that, I traced around the face and hair and then his hands, using the same color for both.
Next, I went back to my second open copy of the Hermoso image and traced around the 'C' in the logo on the cap. I gave it a bright red, and then traced around the entire logo. I selected the image and then copy and pasted it onto my slowly progressing colorized Hermoso, placing it over top the blued out 'C' logo. I then cut and pasted the eye-whites and teeth from the black and white image onto Hermoso's face.
Next, the uniform. Referencing the diagram, I colored in the bottom stripe on the jersey, the top stripe of the waistband and the number on the back in red. Then it was on to the undershirt sleeve, what could be seen of the 'Indians' on the front of the jersey, the top stripe on the jersey sleeve, the bottom stripe of the waistband and what was visible of 'Hermoso' on the back of the uniform. I had to cut and paste I tiny portion of the negative space in the 'R' so that it was white like the jersey.

krantzbucks · 06-19-2012, 12:36 PM

That left the real problem areas of the image, the shoulder patch and the bat. I looked around for a color version of the Indians emblem on the shoulder and found a couple of reference shots from which to use. I colored the circle blue. Enlarging the image as much as possible, I colored in the head-dress and baseball stitches in red. I then carefully traced around the shadowed areas that remained, coloring them in blue to match the reference image. I did this in three parts so as to leave some of the white areas in the background of the emblem.

krantzbucks · 06-19-2012, 12:38 PM

The bat was all that was left. The bat poses several problems. It is almost entirely washed out and white with no grain of the bat or any details. This makes color look very flat which in turn makes the bat look two-dimensional. I made several attempts to add texture to the bat (filter noise, blurring, there is an option in the 'edit' menu 'fill with pattern' that provides a wood-grain look but it is very cartoony) but none of these were very convincing. In the end, I decided to give Hermoso a black bat to hide the bat imperfection as best I could.
I thought that the completed image turned out pretty well. The Hermoso portion I thought looks good (though I am not sure what is going on with the thumb) Weaknesses are the trees and that dad-blasted bat (I spent a lot of fruitless effort working on that thing) I hope this walkthrough provided enough detail for you.

brobby05 · 06-19-2012, 12:59 PM

You did a beautiful job!!! I'm gonna try to cut-n-paste your descriptions into a Word doc. Thanks for the help. I have a semi-portrait of Hermoso that I want to try now after I do Dave Wallace. Then I have a 1971 Metzger to try.

Thanks,

BRobby05

keonleafs · 06-19-2012, 03:47 PM

WOW!! Great job, and many thanks for teaching us the art of colorization!! And also thanks for taking time to share your passion with us.

brobby05 · 06-19-2012, 08:22 PM

I forgot about the 74 Dave Cash with the Phils. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

BRobby05

krantzbucks · 06-20-2012, 12:50 AM

Hersh Martin with the New York Yankees. Congrats on the Dave Cash photo. It is very vivid and looks almost like a real color photo. In this business, "almost" is as close as we can get!

Great work!

cheech411 · 06-20-2012, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brobby05

I forgot about the 74 Dave Cash with the Phils. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

BRobby05

like a pro!!!

brobby05 · 06-20-2012, 10:14 AM

Thanks for the compliments fellas...I had a good teacher. Here's the 1974 Dave Wallace ready for the adjustment on the glasses.

Thanks,

BRobby05

brobby05 · 06-20-2012, 12:05 PM

Here's my 1971 Roger Metzger. Does anything need fixed? BTW, I've been using PSP 11.

Thanks,

BRobby05

krantzbucks · 06-20-2012, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brobby05

Here's my 1971 Roger Metzger. Does anything need fixed? BTW, I've been using PSP 11.

Thanks,

BRobby05

You have really hit your stride with this one. The Orange is perfect, and that shoulder patch is truly a marvel to look at. Well done!

brobby05 · 06-20-2012, 02:11 PM

Thanks for the compliments. Actually, I didn't do the sleeve emblem...I did what you had mentioned once. I took a photo of a real one and fixed the size and rotated it to look like the one in the pic. There's NO way I could have recolored one. How's my Wallace?

Thanks,

BRobby05

krantzbucks · 06-20-2012, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brobby05

Thanks for the compliments fellas...I had a good teacher. Here's the 1974 Dave Wallace ready for the adjustment on the glasses.

Thanks,

BRobby05

Here's my modification on Dave Wallace. I cut and pasted the glasses (including a little bit of the highlight around the frames) from the black and white original into your colorized image. I then whitened the eyes and then traced around the lens part of the glasses and used the brightness/contrast option found in "colors" in GIMP to slightly shade the lenses. The third image includes a "lens flare" which can be found in the filters menu under "light and shadow". It can be positioned wherever you want, but there's a little dot over Wallace's right eye that I used as a reference point. I then faded it a bit using the option to do so in the "edit" menu. To be honest I could take or leave that effect, but I had never really tried it before.

krantzbucks · 06-20-2012, 03:27 PM

Here's a colorization I have done of Chuck Coles with the Cincinnati Reds. I cut and pasted the frames of the glasses on top of the colorized portrait to make the glasses stand out a little more (it helps that they are wire frames). These were a little easier than the Dave Wallace image as it is head-on so that the distortion effect of the glasses on the side of the face (such as with Wallace) doesn't have to be dealt with.
Kind of interesting side-note with Chuck Coles, I used the dressed to the nines website for uniform reference and it would appear that Coles is wearing his home jersey (note the pinstripes) in combination with the hat the 1958 Reds wore on the road (no pinstripes.) I don't know when the photo was taken so perhaps this is a spring training photo or something since Coles only appeared with the Reds in 1958.

brobby05 · 06-20-2012, 03:43 PM

Thanks for the Dave Wallace...it looks great! Here's the 1971 Mike Epstein. Can you improve what I did already? I need help with the pinstripes around the neck and sleeves and background. It's orange/green/orange (of course the shades that have been used.

Thanks for the help!

BRobby05

krantzbucks · 06-21-2012, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brobby05

Thanks for the Dave Wallace...it looks great! Here's the 1971 Mike Epstein. Can you improve what I did already? I need help with the pinstripes around the neck and sleeves and background. It's orange/green/orange (of course the shades that have been used.

Thanks for the help!

BRobby05

I did a little work on your Mike Epstein image. The striping around the collar and shoulder was done by coloring in the orange background (just trace around the entire stripe) and then by colorizing the green portion in the middle on a second copy of the image and cutting and pasting the green on top of the orange.
The background here is pretty sparse. I thought the part in the left corner looked like the separation of a stadium tier so I colored it in like the sky. The seats just below that I chose green. And I wasn't sure what the rectangle on the other side was so I presumed a light and colored it yellow.

Don't know if you have downloaded the batters pack on this site, but there is a pretty good Epstein/A's image which I have included. Also a shot from a Topps Baseball card which appears to have the A's uni you want.

krantzbucks · 06-21-2012, 03:35 AM

Here's Steve Jones with the Kansas City Royals, presumably from 1969.

brobby05 · 06-21-2012, 08:38 AM

Hi Krantzbucks,

Thanks for the Epstein. I knew about those others but I like the one I tried since it was close and no shadows were on the face. I really did a stupid job on the cap...it was too bright for the rest. Could you do a few of the A's for me with also redoing the Epstein from scratch. It was harder than even the Metzger for me. I'll have to rescan the Epstein...dingbat (me) went and deleted the B & W already. Here's the 1971 Duncan and Larry Brown. I know about the card of Duncan but the face was shaded. I also have a B & W of Allan Lewis from 72-73 that doesn't have a card. Unless you have some nice clear portraits from the Topps positive site...I don't have anything nice on these that I'm scanning.

Thanks,

BRobby05

06-18-2012, 08:34 PM	#141
brobby05 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 228	1974 Ron Diorio Here's the 1974 Ron Diorio. Please give me your feedback. My last Phillie is the 1974 Dave Wallace. I need some advice on the glasses. Thanks, BRobby05 Attached Images

06-19-2012, 12:28 PM	#142
krantzbucks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 3,739	Angel Hermoso Angel Remy Hermoso 1974 Indians. This is a fairly nice image for colorizing. The player image is sharp with good resolution of the face and uniform. The background isn't great though. The sky is washed out and almost plain white and the tree line is a bit blurry. The bat is also very undefined. I decided in this case to start with the background. The first thing I did was trace the outline of the trees at the bottom. I then selected a nice dark green to try to hide the lack of detail. This remains a weak part of the image. Next, I traced under Hermoso's arms and over the tree line and chose a bluish gray for the sky. I then traced around Hermoso so that I could finish the background. I made a bit of a mistake here as I forgot the top portion of the bat. When I got to the part of the bat between Hermoso's hands and where it disappeared behind his face I discovered that there is no discernible line on the left side of the bat. This led me to have to make a guess about the outline, so I attempted to follow the way the bat widens as it gets longer.I colored in the sky the same bluish gray I had used before, but found it was lacking in detail. There are some options in the "Filters" drop-down menu at the top of GIMP to add noise and blurs. One of these choices is "render" and to the left is "clouds." I chose the last option "solid noise" and then chose colorize and used the sliders to get a blue-gray color to try to match the sky in-between the arms. Then I opened a second copy of the original black and white image. At the top, I traced around the side of the bat that has a line and then I had to fudge the other side, flipping back to the other image for reference. When I was satisfied, I cut and pasted the black and white bat-barrel into my work-in-progress. Third try was the charm. Attached Images

06-19-2012, 12:32 PM	#143
krantzbucks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 3,739	Angel Hermoso After getting the 1974 Indians reference uniform from 'Dressed to the Nines', I decided that Hermoso was wearing a home uniform based on the whiteness of the uniform. I traced around the hat and colored it a nice deep blue. After that, I traced around the face and hair and then his hands, using the same color for both. Next, I went back to my second open copy of the Hermoso image and traced around the 'C' in the logo on the cap. I gave it a bright red, and then traced around the entire logo. I selected the image and then copy and pasted it onto my slowly progressing colorized Hermoso, placing it over top the blued out 'C' logo. I then cut and pasted the eye-whites and teeth from the black and white image onto Hermoso's face. Next, the uniform. Referencing the diagram, I colored in the bottom stripe on the jersey, the top stripe of the waistband and the number on the back in red. Then it was on to the undershirt sleeve, what could be seen of the 'Indians' on the front of the jersey, the top stripe on the jersey sleeve, the bottom stripe of the waistband and what was visible of 'Hermoso' on the back of the uniform. I had to cut and paste I tiny portion of the negative space in the 'R' so that it was white like the jersey. Attached Images Last edited by krantzbucks; 06-19-2012 at 12:33 PM. Reason: grammar

06-19-2012, 12:36 PM	#144
krantzbucks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 3,739	Angel Hermoso That left the real problem areas of the image, the shoulder patch and the bat. I looked around for a color version of the Indians emblem on the shoulder and found a couple of reference shots from which to use. I colored the circle blue. Enlarging the image as much as possible, I colored in the head-dress and baseball stitches in red. I then carefully traced around the shadowed areas that remained, coloring them in blue to match the reference image. I did this in three parts so as to leave some of the white areas in the background of the emblem. Attached Images

06-19-2012, 12:38 PM	#145
krantzbucks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 3,739	Angel Hermoso The bat was all that was left. The bat poses several problems. It is almost entirely washed out and white with no grain of the bat or any details. This makes color look very flat which in turn makes the bat look two-dimensional. I made several attempts to add texture to the bat (filter noise, blurring, there is an option in the 'edit' menu 'fill with pattern' that provides a wood-grain look but it is very cartoony) but none of these were very convincing. In the end, I decided to give Hermoso a black bat to hide the bat imperfection as best I could. I thought that the completed image turned out pretty well. The Hermoso portion I thought looks good (though I am not sure what is going on with the thumb) Weaknesses are the trees and that dad-blasted bat (I spent a lot of fruitless effort working on that thing) I hope this walkthrough provided enough detail for you. Attached Images Last edited by krantzbucks; 06-20-2012 at 12:40 AM. Reason: added image resizings.

06-19-2012, 12:59 PM	#146
brobby05 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 228	Hermoso Pic You did a beautiful job!!! I'm gonna try to cut-n-paste your descriptions into a Word doc. Thanks for the help. I have a semi-portrait of Hermoso that I want to try now after I do Dave Wallace. Then I have a 1971 Metzger to try. Thanks, BRobby05

06-19-2012, 03:47 PM	#147
keonleafs Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 436	Angel Hermoso WOW!! Great job, and many thanks for teaching us the art of colorization!! And also thanks for taking time to share your passion with us.

06-19-2012, 08:22 PM	#148
brobby05 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 228	74 Dave Cash I forgot about the 74 Dave Cash with the Phils. Let me know what you think. Thanks, BRobby05 Attached Images

06-20-2012, 12:50 AM	#149
krantzbucks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 3,739	Hersh Martin 1937 Hersh Martin with the New York Yankees. Congrats on the Dave Cash photo. It is very vivid and looks almost like a real color photo. In this business, "almost" is as close as we can get! Great work! Attached Images

06-20-2012, 10:14 AM	#151
brobby05 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 228	1974 Dave Wallace Thanks for the compliments fellas...I had a good teacher. Here's the 1974 Dave Wallace ready for the adjustment on the glasses. Thanks, BRobby05 Attached Images

06-20-2012, 12:05 PM	#152
brobby05 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 228	1971 Roger Metzger Here's my 1971 Roger Metzger. Does anything need fixed? BTW, I've been using PSP 11. Thanks, BRobby05 Attached Images

06-20-2012, 02:11 PM	#154
brobby05 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 228	71 Metzger Thanks for the compliments. Actually, I didn't do the sleeve emblem...I did what you had mentioned once. I took a photo of a real one and fixed the size and rotated it to look like the one in the pic. There's NO way I could have recolored one. How's my Wallace? Thanks, BRobby05

06-20-2012, 03:27 PM	#156
krantzbucks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 3,739	Chuck Coles 1958 Here's a colorization I have done of Chuck Coles with the Cincinnati Reds. I cut and pasted the frames of the glasses on top of the colorized portrait to make the glasses stand out a little more (it helps that they are wire frames). These were a little easier than the Dave Wallace image as it is head-on so that the distortion effect of the glasses on the side of the face (such as with Wallace) doesn't have to be dealt with. Kind of interesting side-note with Chuck Coles, I used the dressed to the nines website for uniform reference and it would appear that Coles is wearing his home jersey (note the pinstripes) in combination with the hat the 1958 Reds wore on the road (no pinstripes.) I don't know when the photo was taken so perhaps this is a spring training photo or something since Coles only appeared with the Reds in 1958. Attached Images

06-20-2012, 03:43 PM	#157
brobby05 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 228	1971 Mike Epstein Thanks for the Dave Wallace...it looks great! Here's the 1971 Mike Epstein. Can you improve what I did already? I need help with the pinstripes around the neck and sleeves and background. It's orange/green/orange (of course the shades that have been used. Thanks for the help! BRobby05 Attached Images

06-21-2012, 03:35 AM	#159
krantzbucks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 3,739	Steve Jones 1967 Here's Steve Jones with the Kansas City Royals, presumably from 1969. Attached Images

06-21-2012, 08:38 AM	#160
brobby05 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 228	1971-1974 A's Hi Krantzbucks, Thanks for the Epstein. I knew about those others but I like the one I tried since it was close and no shadows were on the face. I really did a stupid job on the cap...it was too bright for the rest. Could you do a few of the A's for me with also redoing the Epstein from scratch. It was harder than even the Metzger for me. I'll have to rescan the Epstein...dingbat (me) went and deleted the B & W already. Here's the 1971 Duncan and Larry Brown. I know about the card of Duncan but the face was shaded. I also have a B & W of Allan Lewis from 72-73 that doesn't have a card. Unless you have some nice clear portraits from the Topps positive site...I don't have anything nice on these that I'm scanning. Thanks, BRobby05 Attached Images