Dead owner

Orcin · 04-25-2018, 11:55 AM

I just started a new game with the latest (19.5.49) patch. This happened on the third day.

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How about having no owner death or team sale for at least the first year of a new league?

Hrycaj · 04-25-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

I just started a new game with the latest (19.5.49) patch. This happened on the third day.

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How about having no owner death or team sale for at least the first year of a new league?

It is so weird how death is handled in OOTP.

NoOne · 04-25-2018, 12:09 PM

how old was the guy?

i mean if he's 80+, it's not so shocking. at 52 it is another story.

once you make it beyond ~40, your life expectancy jumps quite a bit compared to average. causes of early deaths skew the numbers becuase a lot of them are attributable to dumb behaviour that you are less likely to engage in after X number of years (if not specifically 40, it's a real effect and you can draw a line somewhere based on data).

so as long as they are living to 80-90ish most of the time, it's ~normal.

Qeltar · 04-25-2018, 12:54 PM

Ted Lerner is 92.

He does have several kids, but I'm pretty sure there is no "Ted Lerner Jr." IRL.

I'm halfway through my first season and I think there have been two deaths already. It should be at most once a year. Even though they are fairly old, it's not that many people.

Orcin · 04-25-2018, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

how old was the guy?

i mean if he's 80+, it's not so shocking. at 52 it is another story.

once you make it beyond ~40, your life expectancy jumps quite a bit compared to average. causes of early deaths skew the numbers becuase a lot of them are attributable to dumb behaviour that you are less likely to engage in after X number of years (if not specifically 40, it's a real effect and you can draw a line somewhere based on data).

so as long as they are living to 80-90ish most of the time, it's ~normal.

I don't care how normal or expected it is. What I care about is the game and how much fun it is. I would be frustrated if I were playing the Nationals (I wasn't) and my owner died in the first year (much less first week) and was replaced by an owner that was "unmerciful" in temperament.

Think about this happening in a league where you are managing each game and you have played for a couple of months to get to the trade deadline with a strategy of clearing salary for the 2019 offseason. Then you get an unmerciful owner that demands a playoff appearance. You just wasted two months.

Again, this is a game, not real life. So the life expectancy of a human owner is not important in the context of the game. After all, in the game, human players live forever. How does that conform to your life expectancy tables?

5-4-3 · 04-25-2018, 01:11 PM

This owner death fixation needs to be trimmed way back.

Mets52 · 04-25-2018, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 5-4-3

This owner death fixation needs to be trimmed way back.

It has in the latest patch.

drhay53 · 04-25-2018, 01:19 PM

I mean, the game is about random chance. It's baseball. Your chance of death is pretty high at 92. IMO, I don't want a hard-coded time period where owners can't change. And I don't have a problem with the number of ownership changes either. I looked at ownership changes over the last couple decades in MLB and I don't think OOTP is as far above normal as people are thinking. Just my opinion; I don't think there is much value in hand-tuning the ownership model over other improvements to the game.

IanIachimoe · 04-25-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mets52

It has in the latest patch.

good news.

on the flipside, I guess I'm now stuck with the Interfering owner the last patch gave me.

worst. owner. possible.

has made for an interesting challenge...

Matt Arnold · 04-25-2018, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by drhay53

I mean, the game is about random chance. It's baseball. Your chance of death is pretty high at 92. IMO, I don't want a hard-coded time period where owners can't change. And I don't have a problem with the number of ownership changes either. I looked at ownership changes over the last couple decades in MLB and I don't think OOTP is as far above normal as people are thinking. Just my opinion; I don't think there is much value in hand-tuning the ownership model over other improvements to the game.

MLB has actually been really low, with very few ownership changes over the last 5 years, but was a lot more frequent before that. We can probably add a quick check to not have them die in the first year of a league, but yeah, it's simply a factor of the game. I don't think people choose the Nats or anyone else as a team to manage because of their owner, anyways.

D-BacksJosh · 04-25-2018, 01:40 PM

This is the only owner you don't want to work for....

Qeltar · 04-25-2018, 01:55 PM

Many people don't realize that the ending of that movie wasn't the original. The intended ending has a (somewhat) cool plot twist but they nixed it because test audiences preferred the owner as a cardboard villain (lol, I just realized she is literally a cardboard villain in that picture!).

NoOne · 04-25-2018, 01:57 PM

if it's frustrating, go change the owner's ratings. remove their influence on the budget. turn off owner goals...

if these things are on, you live by their effects... personal choice.

he was 92, lol. pick a team with a younger/compatible personality owner. you can avoid this situation with common sense. if you like the Nats, just go in there and change it to a RL kids name with new age. i can relate to the latter. i only play with my hometown team. i don't abide cheap/interfering owners

side note:

like annoying children being great advertisements for birth control, Major Leauge 2 is a great example why you don't make sequels to comedies, lol.

IanIachimoe · 04-25-2018, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

if it's frustrating, go change the owner's ratings. remove their influence on the budget. turn off owner goals...

if these things are on, you live by their effects... personal choice.

he was 92, lol. pick a team with a younger/compatible personality owner. you can avoid this situation with common sense. if you like the Nats, just go in there and change it to a RL kids name with new age. i can relate to the latter. i only play with my hometown team. i don't abide cheap/interfering owners

side note:

like annoying children being great advertisements for birth control, Major Leauge 2 is a great example why you don't make sequels to comedies, lol.

Is changing him from "interfering" (w/complete control of budgets) possible in challenge mode?

NoOne · 04-25-2018, 02:21 PM

oh, challenge mode.. nope..

always forget about challenge mode. in challenge mode the 1-year check would definitely be fair to the player... althugh if budget is set already and he dies mid-year i don't think that changes the budget eh?

IanIachimoe · 04-25-2018, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

oh, challenge mode.. nope..

always forget about challenge mode. in challenge mode the 1-year check would definitely be fair to the player... althugh if budget is set already and he dies mid-year i don't think that changes the budget eh?

wouldn't think so. this wasn't a death, owner sold (IIRC) in offseason.

left me with an owner immediately overpaying aging players without my input & taking full control of all budgets.

will be interesting to see how much I can take.

Reggie · 04-25-2018, 03:28 PM

I've always played with owner goals off. Doesn't seem to matter to me who the owner is other than the size of the budget I get. I mean if an owner is going to micro manage and I can't reason with him about extending a highly over paid and declining veteran..what am I actually doing in the job?

ohiodevil · 04-25-2018, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

side note:

like annoying children being great advertisements for birth control, Major Leauge 2 is a great example why you don't make sequels to comedies, lol.

Then you get that illegitimate kid with Major League 3.........

The Yurpman · 04-25-2018, 06:54 PM

It's all down to chance. I've been playing since OOTP 12 and I've had saves with 5 seasons played and no owner died or sold the team. I've also had saves where 3 different owners died in the first season. My only save so far in OOTP 19 I've had one owner die, in the first season (I think the Giant's owner?). This was before today's patch.

NoOne · 04-26-2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IanIachimoe

wouldn't think so. this wasn't a death, owner sold (IIRC) in offseason.

left me with an owner immediately overpaying aging players without my input & taking full control of all budgets.

will be interesting to see how much I can take.

make a template befor starting, if allowed, and if that happens right off the bat, restart easily.

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HA! i totally forgot bout "ML 3"

04-25-2018, 11:55 AM	#1
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	Dead owner I just started a new game with the latest (19.5.49) patch. This happened on the third day. How about having no owner death or team sale for at least the first year of a new league?

04-25-2018, 12:09 PM	#3
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	how old was the guy? i mean if he's 80+, it's not so shocking. at 52 it is another story. once you make it beyond ~40, your life expectancy jumps quite a bit compared to average. causes of early deaths skew the numbers becuase a lot of them are attributable to dumb behaviour that you are less likely to engage in after X number of years (if not specifically 40, it's a real effect and you can draw a line somewhere based on data). so as long as they are living to 80-90ish most of the time, it's ~normal. Last edited by NoOne; 04-25-2018 at 12:11 PM.

04-25-2018, 01:40 PM	#11
D-BacksJosh Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 875	This is the only owner you don't want to work for.... Attached Images

04-25-2018, 01:55 PM	#12
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Many people don't realize that the ending of that movie wasn't the original. The intended ending has a (somewhat) cool plot twist but they nixed it because test audiences preferred the owner as a cardboard villain (lol, I just realized she is literally a cardboard villain in that picture!). Last edited by Qeltar; 04-25-2018 at 02:08 PM.

04-25-2018, 01:57 PM	#13
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	if it's frustrating, go change the owner's ratings. remove their influence on the budget. turn off owner goals... if these things are on, you live by their effects... personal choice. he was 92, lol. pick a team with a younger/compatible personality owner. you can avoid this situation with common sense. if you like the Nats, just go in there and change it to a RL kids name with new age. i can relate to the latter. i only play with my hometown team. i don't abide cheap/interfering owners side note: like annoying children being great advertisements for birth control, Major Leauge 2 is a great example why you don't make sequels to comedies, lol. Last edited by NoOne; 04-25-2018 at 01:59 PM.

04-25-2018, 12:54 PM	#4
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Ted Lerner is 92. He does have several kids, but I'm pretty sure there is no "Ted Lerner Jr." IRL. I'm halfway through my first season and I think there have been two deaths already. It should be at most once a year. Even though they are fairly old, it's not that many people.

04-25-2018, 01:11 PM	#6
5-4-3 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 143	This owner death fixation needs to be trimmed way back.

04-25-2018, 01:19 PM	#8
drhay53 Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 355	I mean, the game is about random chance. It's baseball. Your chance of death is pretty high at 92. IMO, I don't want a hard-coded time period where owners can't change. And I don't have a problem with the number of ownership changes either. I looked at ownership changes over the last couple decades in MLB and I don't think OOTP is as far above normal as people are thinking. Just my opinion; I don't think there is much value in hand-tuning the ownership model over other improvements to the game.

04-25-2018, 02:21 PM	#15
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	oh, challenge mode.. nope.. always forget about challenge mode. in challenge mode the 1-year check would definitely be fair to the player... althugh if budget is set already and he dies mid-year i don't think that changes the budget eh?

04-25-2018, 03:28 PM	#17
Reggie Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 442	I've always played with owner goals off. Doesn't seem to matter to me who the owner is other than the size of the budget I get. I mean if an owner is going to micro manage and I can't reason with him about extending a highly over paid and declining veteran..what am I actually doing in the job?

04-25-2018, 06:54 PM	#19
The Yurpman Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 318	It's all down to chance. I've been playing since OOTP 12 and I've had saves with 5 seasons played and no owner died or sold the team. I've also had saves where 3 different owners died in the first season. My only save so far in OOTP 19 I've had one owner die, in the first season (I think the Giant's owner?). This was before today's patch.