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Old 04-02-2020, 08:02 PM   #141
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Scouts that favor ability are conservative and will find more serviceable players (not Necessarily stars but MLB quality players)

Scouts that favor Tools are more aggressive with their ratings and will find more superstar players but also find less serviceable players than a scout who favors ability. Which means a scout who highly favors tools are more hit or miss with players.


If you are a small market team, ability might be a good scout for you if you rely on having a decent farm system based on drafting.

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The issue is that scouts that favor ability are straight up underestimating the talent in the draft pool - by a lot. We know the true talent because we can see it if we turn scouting off. Yes the scouts that favor tools are more aggressive in their projections, but they are simply correct to do so.

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Old 04-02-2020, 08:09 PM   #142
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What I've noticed is that "highly favors ability" scouts never find prospects they like. Which makes me wonder if those types of scouts offer any value when looking for prospects. Maybe they are only useful for MLB talent?
IMO favor ability scouts are just bad. I would rather have a scout with poor ratings and highly favor tools, than a legendary highly favor ability scout. It's a big reason why I've turned scouting off in my league. Favor ability scouts are fine (but no better) scouting minor/major leagues, but are really bad at scouting the amateur draft which is imo more important. For minor/major league players stuff like stats, the prospect pipeline, and the top 100 prospect list can help you a lot but in the draft you've really got nothing without scouting.
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Old 04-02-2020, 09:04 PM   #143
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The issue is that scouts that favor ability are straight up underestimating the talent in the draft pool - by a lot. We know the true talent because we can see it if we turn scouting off. Yes the scouts that favor tools are more aggressive in their projections, but they are simply correct to do so.
Have you tried any player to player comparisons?

Favor tools tend to overrate and yes favor ability tends to underrate.

Favor ability likes players whose current ratings are close to their potential ratings. Tools will tend to overrate players that have a large gap between current and potential. Tools may seem accurate vs 100% accuracy but keep in mind that players will not reach their full potential 100% of the time. Ability scouts represent the safe pick and favor what a player can do now. Tools like raw talent and base their ratings on max development.

This is why in the pics you posted favor tools had a bunch RP & CL at the top of the list. 100% accuracy also have the same RP & CL but the game artificially boosts OVR/POT at those positions.

Ability scout doesn't have this problem because it values skill.

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Old 04-02-2020, 09:07 PM   #144
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Have you tried any player to player comparisons?

Favor tools tend to overrate and yes favor ability tends to underrate.

Favor ability likes players whose current ratings are close to their potential ratings. Tools will tend to overrate players that have a large gap between current and potential. Tools may seem accurate vs 100% accuracy but keep in mind that players will not reach their full potential 100% of the time. Ability scouts represent the safe pick and favor what a player can do now. Tools like raw talent and base their ratings on max development.

This is why in the pics you posted favor tools had a bunch RP & CL at the top of the list. 100% accuracy also have the same RP & CL but the game artificially boosts OVR/POT at those positions.

Ability scout doesn't have this problem because it values skill.
If favor tools overrates, than 100% accurate scouting overrates as well. Maybe it does, but from my understanding once TCR is included a 50POT guy on averages ends up as a 50POT guy. There's a bunch of RP/CL in all the pics.

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Old 04-02-2020, 09:10 PM   #145
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If favor tools overrates, than 100% accurate scouting overrates as well. There's a bunch of RP/CL at the top of the list in all the pics.
Yes because the game gives RP/CL boost in OVR/POT.

an 80 RP/CL is not the same as a 80 SP

There are 9 CL/RP on the favor tools page

and 5 CL/RP on the ability page.

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Old 04-02-2020, 09:18 PM   #146
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Yes because the game gives RP/CL boost in OVR/POT.

an 80 RP/CL is not the same as a 80 SP

There are 9 CL/RP on the favor tools page

and 5 CL/RP on the ability page.
Not sure if 9 vs 5 is a significant difference. I'm well aware RP/CL gets a stuff boost.

Still though, do you think 100% accurate ratings overrate prospects? Because strongly favor tools scouts are in fact slightly more pessimistic than the 100% accurate are.
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Wait why is OSA so accurate when it comes to the draft? I thought they caught that bug and it was fixed in XX.

I mean OSA looks close to 100% accurate. Might as well not put any money into the draft go with OSA for the draft and use your money elsewhere.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:26 PM   #148
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Wait why is OSA so accurate when it comes to the draft? I thought they caught that bug and it was fixed in XX.

I mean OSA looks close to 100% accurate. Might as well not put any money into the draft go with OSA for the draft and use your money elsewhere.
They are not accurate - they're off by an average of just under 5 potential points (on the 20-80 scale) per player. They are however unbiased. If you look closely the players rated highest by OSA are not the same as the players rated highest by 100% accurate scouts.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:41 PM   #149
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They are not accurate - they're off by an average of just under 5 potential points (on the 20-80 scale) per player. They are however unbiased. If you look closely the players rated highest by OSA are not the same as the players rated highest by 100% accurate scouts.
But good enough when your saving 15 million+ and still better than the ability scouts

I mean the point of getting a good scout and a high budget is usually to do really good at the draft. But if you can save a bucket load of money and just go with osa for the draft. isn't that looking like a really good option.

should even a bad scout and low budget be significantly better than OSA? or what's the point of scouting then

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Old 04-03-2020, 11:01 AM   #150
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Yea the mock draft is a good indicator on who the top prospects are.

Don’t sort the draft pool by POT and think that’s a makeshift top prospect list.

Use the mock draft and take opinions from your scout and compared them with OSA.

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Old 04-03-2020, 11:36 AM   #151
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It only makes sense that a "favors ability" scout would be horrible at the draft. Hasn't it been known for at least a few years that "favors ability" scouts want players with less projection and ratings that are as close to the player's potential as possible? The draft is nothing but projection. and there's no need to mess with that bc the draft is a projection filled crap shoot
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