Outfield cross training

Charlatan · 03-25-2020, 09:02 AM

In my experience with PT 20 you could always train an outfielder to play all three positions. Well, technically some corner outfielders could only play left and right but not center. So you could take a guy whose only rating was in LF and put him in RF and eventually he would develop some proficiency there.

However, in PT21 I tried to stick a guy who was only rated in LF in the lineup playing RF (or maybe it was the reverse) and I was told he was not eligible to play that position. This seems like a new restriction. Is there some indication on the card ratings (that’s visible in the AH) that indicates this? I’d hate to buy a player thinking I could cross train him for a corner position and find out after the fact that he was not eligible. Thanks!

Sipimi · 03-25-2020, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

In my experience with PT 20 you could always train an outfielder to play all three positions. Well, technically some corner outfielders could only play left and right but not center. So you could take a guy whose only rating was in LF and put him in RF and eventually he would develop some proficiency there.

However, in PT21 I tried to stick a guy who was only rated in LF in the lineup playing RF (or maybe it was the reverse) and I was told he was not eligible to play that position. This seems like a new restriction. Is there some indication on the card ratings (that’s visible in the AH) that indicates this? I’d hate to buy a player thinking I could cross train him for a corner position and find out after the fact that he was not eligible. Thanks!

I haven't seen anything on the card but there might be a trigger for each position with one of the defensive ratings (ex.: below 35 arm cannot play RF). I tried to play Buckner in RF and I got the same message - he's not a bad defender in LF (over 50) but he has a 30 rated arm.

Charlatan · 03-26-2020, 08:06 AM

That’s a good theory… And I think it’s Buckner I was trying to put in RF!

Sipimi · 03-26-2020, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

That’s a good theory… And I think it’s Buckner I was trying to put in RF!

Good to know I was not the only one trying that tactic! Back to your point, I'd be okay with OOTP orientation - not playing guys out of position if they won't perform at a "decent" level - if there weren't cards like this one below.

Buckner would be a way better defender at RF than Renteria at SS, so why block the first if you allow the second to play (even if it's his primary position) ?

Matt Arnold · 03-26-2020, 10:21 AM

Basically, anyone who, with full training, would never even be a 1 rated at a position, in PT cannot be placed there anymore. So in the above case, Buckner would likely fall below the line in RF hence why he wouldn't be allowed there.

Splitter24 · 03-26-2020, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Basically, anyone who, with full training, would never even be a 1 rated at a position, in PT cannot be placed there anymore. So in the above case, Buckner would likely fall below the line in RF hence why he wouldn't be allowed there.

A guy who is 50+ in LF that is blocked from playing RF doesn't seem right. I get CF. Or a LF who is a natural 20.

Matt Arnold · 03-26-2020, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Splitter24

A guy who is 50+ in LF that is blocked from playing RF doesn't seem right. I get CF. Or a LF who is a natural 20.

Sorry, yeah, double-checking, we had a stricter check in than was intended. We'll fix that up so that he can play there.

Sipimi · 03-26-2020, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Sorry, yeah, double-checking, we had a stricter check in than was intended. We'll fix that up so that he can play there.

Thanks for the responsiveness Matt, much appreciated!

Pine Tar · 03-26-2020, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Sorry, yeah, double-checking, we had a stricter check in than was intended. We'll fix that up so that he can play there.

This why this game is so awesome. So many other sims/games ignore the player base or only respond very rarely.

This just keeps the game getting better and better.

Pine Tar

OMGPuppies · 03-26-2020, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sipimi

Good to know I was not the only one trying that tactic! Back to your point, I'd be okay with OOTP orientation - not playing guys out of position if they won't perform at a "decent" level - if there weren't cards like this one below.

Buckner would be a way better defender at RF than Renteria at SS, so why block the first if you allow the second to play (even if it's his primary position) ?

Wow. He was that bad a defender?

Orion · 03-26-2020, 06:00 PM

He was adequate before his knees were turfed. Buckner was very athletic in his early years, nothing like the Boston era version. The thing was Buckner was one of 'those guys'. He really only cared about hitting and had a Ted Williams attitude about anything else in the game. That made him a liability in the field when coupled with lack of mobility.

Charlatan · 03-26-2020, 07:07 PM

Matt, thanks for looking into this and thanks (in advance) for fixing the bug! You rock!

Sipimi · 03-26-2020, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

Wow. He was that bad a defender?

If you're talking about Renteria, he wasn't Jeter-bad at SS but he was horrible that year with Boston.

Morgans Magic · 03-27-2020, 09:36 AM

Renteria actually had decent range. He made a LOT of errors.

But that seems awfully unfair, if you know that Kevin Millar was the first basement. He wasn't exactly Dick Stuart (aka Dr. Strangeglove), but he wasn't doing Renteria any favors. As he went back to St. Louis and had a decent year, I'm not sure it's entirely fair.... and I think I raised his score in the post about bad ratings. here is a comparison. He won a GG two yrs before Boston visit. I still think they need to fix him.

Age Tm Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG Awards

27 STL 652 222 419 11 92 0.983 4.41 4.3 0.973 4.45 4.42 AS
28 BOS 655 227 398 30 90 0.954 4.35 4.08 0.972 4.6 4.55
29 ATL 597 185 399 13 76 0.978 4.15 4 0.972 4.41 4.38 AS

03-25-2020, 09:02 AM	#1
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	Outfield cross training In my experience with PT 20 you could always train an outfielder to play all three positions. Well, technically some corner outfielders could only play left and right but not center. So you could take a guy whose only rating was in LF and put him in RF and eventually he would develop some proficiency there. However, in PT21 I tried to stick a guy who was only rated in LF in the lineup playing RF (or maybe it was the reverse) and I was told he was not eligible to play that position. This seems like a new restriction. Is there some indication on the card ratings (that’s visible in the AH) that indicates this? I’d hate to buy a player thinking I could cross train him for a corner position and find out after the fact that he was not eligible. Thanks!

03-26-2020, 06:00 PM	#11
Orion Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 300	He was adequate before his knees were turfed. Buckner was very athletic in his early years, nothing like the Boston era version. The thing was Buckner was one of 'those guys'. He really only cared about hitting and had a Ted Williams attitude about anything else in the game. That made him a liability in the field when coupled with lack of mobility. __________________

03-27-2020, 09:36 AM	#14
Morgans Magic Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 66	Renteria actually had decent range. He made a LOT of errors. But that seems awfully unfair, if you know that Kevin Millar was the first basement. He wasn't exactly Dick Stuart (aka Dr. Strangeglove), but he wasn't doing Renteria any favors. As he went back to St. Louis and had a decent year, I'm not sure it's entirely fair.... and I think I raised his score in the post about bad ratings. here is a comparison. He won a GG two yrs before Boston visit. I still think they need to fix him. Age Tm Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG Awards 27 STL 652 222 419 11 92 0.983 4.41 4.3 0.973 4.45 4.42 AS 28 BOS 655 227 398 30 90 0.954 4.35 4.08 0.972 4.6 4.55 29 ATL 597 185 399 13 76 0.978 4.15 4 0.972 4.41 4.38 AS Last edited by Morgans Magic; 03-27-2020 at 09:39 AM.

03-26-2020, 08:06 AM	#3
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	That’s a good theory… And I think it’s Buckner I was trying to put in RF!

03-26-2020, 10:21 AM	#5
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,117	Basically, anyone who, with full training, would never even be a 1 rated at a position, in PT cannot be placed there anymore. So in the above case, Buckner would likely fall below the line in RF hence why he wouldn't be allowed there.

03-26-2020, 07:07 PM	#12
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	Matt, thanks for looking into this and thanks (in advance) for fixing the bug! You rock!