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I´ve read different opinions on Avoiding Ks, but it seems to be rather significant in my limited experience. My diamond team has Bowa (contact 65, eye 20, avoid k 78) at short since iron and he´s hit at every level. Last year he hit over .290 in diamond, and usually hits between .260 and .280. Lava is pretty much the same as well though his eye is better.
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Bobby Bonds and Dave Kingman come to mind.
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So, I made an all-righty hitting team this season. And, um, not so good so far.
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Add Davis and Straberry to the list of guys ruined by avoid k's
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Agreed on Avoid K. Wow about Bowa! I pretty much abandoned him after Silver League. Lava I've continued to use... |
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So here's a thought exercise for you guys. Presenting an anonymous batter for your consideration - avoiding the OVR rating and the player's name to get a more objective perspective on the card (I'll reveal it later if people want). What do you think of this guy?
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Dude McDude Bats: R max rating at LF:96 CF:69 RF: 87 con gap pow eye av K vL 65 73 97 81 30 vR 56 70 78 67 29 Now I don't own this card and I'm debating whether or not I should buy it for a platoon vs LHP and/or defensive sub. The questions are this: 1. Do you think the guy will ever hit close to his slash line (cuz I don't), and, 2. What do you think this card would go for and/or be worth (I think it's "worth" around 7.5k but I suspect it'll be offered for closer to 9k or higher since it's in a collection). I feel like this is one of those cards that will never perform as well as you hope, what with the low contact ratings, especially vs RHP. Thoughts? Last edited by Charlatan; 07-16-2019 at 03:14 PM. |
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Which is why I am questioning why in the world some of my 50 speed guys trying to steal bag as if he's 70 speed. Some of my 50 are good boys who rarely steal but effective when they did; some of my other 50s love to go gun-blazing and fail, a lot. Last edited by Goliathus; 07-16-2019 at 03:18 PM. |
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Mickey Mantle (100) has a 32 Avoid Ks and routinely turns in OPS over .800, so not everyone is ruined by a low AK rating.
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@Charlatan: I would use him against lefties but I sure as hell wouldn´t pay 9k for the honor. The eye is great and kind of balances out the contact, but the avoid k is a problem. I think he would hit pretty well up to gold and then in diamond it would depend on the quality of the pitching year by year.
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I keep trying to replace him but he never lets me. Of course trying to snag Pesky or Boudreau is like catching lightning in a bottle, so Bowa is still there and shows no signs of going away.
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Boudreau is like a unicorn for me. Heck, he was going for 14k or so before collections, so now he's closer to 18 or 20k. So ... a lot! But I do see him on a lot of very good teams in Perfect (those are the teams that are beating the snot out of my teams!).
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I had him on a bunch of my teams. Got boring to have the same players on my teams, so I am switching things up.
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Meet that slashline at what level? Only the very best cards will reach a .910 OPS in perfect while hundreds can at iron.
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81 eye vs LHP is rather elite. That card would be more "3 true outcomes" than I normally care for, but it could be worth it to you (at whatever price you deem appropriate) to fill a defensive niche.
As far as the original purpose of this thread is concerned, we are conflating 2 very different ideas. The "Meta" ratings are not necessarily the same as "undervalued" ratings. Defense and Movement may be the Meta, but you're definitely paying a premium for them in the Auction House. We need to define more strictly what we mean when we talk in terms of Moneyball, because right now we're talking about a lot of different and separate concepts.
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