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08-23-2013, 02:20 AM | #161 | |
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Wish I kind remember why I needed it, to explain better, but it was close to 30 years ago, not to mention I was looking at life from a kid's perspective back then. One time, when talking with my dad about steroids in baseball. Considering using steroids to get healthy, allowing maybe have an independent doctor affiliated with the MLB office who oversees the prescription or what have you. And test very regularly during the healing process to keep it honest. Course, we were a bit random musing over the subject, neither of us have medical expertise, so we dont know all the loops that would have to be pulled out to make it work.
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I wonder if gamma radiation would be an illegal substance. Sorry, the bicep expansion thing made me think of the Hulk.
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09-01-2013, 05:14 PM | #164 |
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I'm almost at the point of meh-ness with drug taking in sport... it's almost so prevalent now as to be ridiculous. Hopefully this is baseball's Lance Armstrong moment, and hopefully athletics is going through this as well now.
I've never been an A-Rod fan since that moment in game 6 (IIRC) of the 2004 ALCS and his blatant bitch-slap to Arroyo's glove
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09-01-2013, 06:30 PM | #165 |
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Alex Rodriguez is so bad that he makes Barry Bonds almost likable. Almost.
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IMHO the next Bargaining Agreement has to have a new penalty for guys who test positive for PEDs: One and Done. You test positive once, you're out of here! And there ought to be an agreement that any contract is immediately null and void if a player tests positive for PEDs.
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Make HGH mandatory!
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Case in point: I'm watching a Yankees game on their local sports network, YES. The announcers are homers (meaning biased to the team they work for), which is fine; expected really. Maybe even preferred, frankly. I want them to sound elated when I am and depressed when I am. Anyway, two of them are discussing A-Rod's homers and how he is approaching Willie Mays' number of 660. First announcer says, "You really can't get excited about it if he does reach that number, given his past." Second announcer says, "Yep, that's right. Too much water under that bridge" or something to that effect. I cannot even imagine a couple of Yankee announcers saying something like this about a major organizational investment like A-Rod, a few years ago. Now it seems more and more common for people to be dismissive and disgusted with these cheats. The same announcers went on to discuss how the home run records of Maris (61) and Aaron (755) are re-emerging as the true milestones. More power to that idea.
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Greenies do not help you hit 660 homeruns, steroids and HGH do. Sad you just dont get it Madden.
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09-03-2013, 11:44 PM | #171 |
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Here's how the list looks with the known cheaters removed. I'm a bit suspicious of anybody from the late 90's to late 00's, but we'll let them stand. Looking at this list, it's not unlikely that someone will break Maris' record someday soon . . . or is it? Without the PED's, can somebody top 61 home runs in one season in today's game?
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When you look at it this way, it's hard to envision anybody playing today catching Aaron. Ramirez is done. Pujols?
Hey, John Madden! This making you sick again? So sorry, but I'll "play games with history" as much as I want. Only, I would not call it playing games with history. "Restoring history" might be a better phrase. The guys whose names I lined out don't belong on the same list with the guys named Williams and Mays, Maris and Aaron. They are cheaters, liars, and disgraces to the great game of Baseball.
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Next objection, already answered: If ANY of the players whose names I did NOT cross off these lists are found in the future to have used PED's to enhance their performances, same treatment.
Sure, some of them could very well be guilty but it's innocent until proven guilty. If they are, though, the penalty would be swift and sure in my game of Baseball: Banishment with records stricken from the books. Let 'em keep their ill-gotten $$$millions as consolation. That probably would satisfy some of them anyway as this was their real motive. How could anyone be satisfied by being a home run king, knowing that he got their artificially? Are they that stupid? Antacid, John Madden?
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Déjà Bru ...
How come Manny's name is not cross off, as well ... did I miss something about him ?? ... wasn't he suspended for 100 games for PED's but instead chose retirement
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The biggest problem I have with the ol' "cross names off records books" approach is simply the numbers were allowed to be attained. Quite simply if baseball wanted to keep cheaters from the game they would suspend them or ban them from playing. But yet here those numbers are. Baseball didn't ban or suspend these players or otherwise make any attempt to keeping them from playing. They knew what was going so in my opinion the numbers stand.
The second problem I have is the witch hunt against sluggers when the vast majority of those who have been found to be juicing have not been sluggers. It would be nice if the media and fans in general would talk about the whole issue instead of just a small percentage of it. I'm uncomfortable with sluggers essentially taking the blame and plenty of other guys of the era getting a free pass. Thirdly, we are kidding ourselves if we think drugging is out of baseball. People have been cheating since day one and they will continue to cheat. The drugs are always ahead of the tests, and if one is tested for they'll find something else. People cheat on tests, they cheat on their taxes and they will sure cheat at baseball. The game has never been clean and never will be.
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09-04-2013, 03:44 AM | #177 |
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Rose did nothing as a PLAYER to get himself banned from baseball. The notion of making him an unperson in the record books is extremely bothersome.
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That doesn't matter insofar as the transgression Rose committed. The rules on gambling are crystal clear, have been in place for many decades, and posted for everyone to read. Rose chose to ignore that. And he paid the price.
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I did not mean Rose & Shoeless #'s should be removed, I was referrring to PED users that Bru crossed off. That is why I said it is different. Rose gambled as a mgr and Shoe gambled in a WS not regular season. If Speaker & Cobb can gamble in a game and then get thrown onto the same team together and then still go into the HOF, so should Shoe & Charlie Hustle.
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The sentence you chose not to quote makes clear my thought. Like the rules on gambling, my post is crystal clear and there for everyone to read. You chose to ignore half of it. |
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