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10-29-2005, 06:50 AM | #61 | |||
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Cycling is more of a nationality sport than Baseball and Id believe in some sense Europe can be the same way in some aspects. In the MLB teams are from cities and the players background isn't usually looked on nearly as much as in cycling. In Cycling teams are from countries and so are the riders, not that the riders from one team are always from that country. In short, players in baseball represent themselves and their team. In cycling, riders represent themselves and their country. There are media-darlings and there are media-devils. A Frenchmen is going to be more likely in this scenario to be the darling than the devil. Quote:
The Spanish and Italians are more acceptable to share the sport with from a French perspective because they're traditionally France's main rivals over the years, and their respective tours, the Giro de Italia and the Tour of Spain, are the next most highly regarded races after the Tour de France. Jan Ullrich, a German, faced similar doping allegations at first from the press when he won in 1997, and was 2nd in 98, but then Armstrong came along in 99 with Ullrich sitting out and his problems went away. Its not just France vs America its France having pride over their Tour. Although I believe Armstrong being American does exacerbate the problem; I don't by any means think thats the entire reason why he's so scrutinized by the French. We aren't regarded all that highly by many in Europe. Here's something Ullrich said in response to Armstrong criticizing his training habits about a year ago, Quote:
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Good stuff. Thanks for that.
I'm not up on how the French feel about the Tour de France, but I'm willing to accept that they very well could feel some bit of ownership over it. I know many of us Canadians certainly do over hockey and resent having to change the game for Americans to make it more acceptable for them (I'm talking about the fighting aspect of it, not the new NHL's higher scoring) or to sacrifice some of our teams to go down there and help grow the game. I think the same could have been said about many Americans when the Bluejays won their first World Series. At least I sensed some resentment over it from the American media at the time. So yeah, I can accept that there might be some noses out of joint. But I just don't think we need to go there. There's plenty of other things about it that we can talk about. It's interesting that you mention that in baseball players represent their teams and themselves rather than their countries yet more and more we're seeing this change. I understand it can be good as it helps grow the game (I love hearing about how the Canadians are doing), but at the same time I think there are some bad parts about it when it gets to the point of unfairly including the country's citizens when bashing the country. I think it is sometimes fair to bash a country, just not its people in general. I should say I've been at fault for this in the past myself, but I've tried to be more sensitive to it. Quote:
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I was 7 when the Blue Jays won in 93 so all I remember is Carter's HR...too Young to know the medias reaction. Quote:
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In the end, it's Americans that doomed Armstrong.
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Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
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08-28-2012, 05:08 AM | #67 |
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Apparently USADA are going to strip Armstrong of his moon landing title after convincing Buzz Aldrin to confess that they used oxygen supplements in order to reach their target...
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some dude, who claims to be the first one to have stepped on the moon, can only be proved in 2015 when indians return back to the moon.
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