Tournaments General Discussion

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by dkgo

It just uses the same roster that it would import automatically

It did do this.

What if I didn't want to use that roster? Is there a better way to do this than what I did?

[dkgo]

The game automatically starts generating the league file once the last person signs up. If you are the last one to sign up then you can still use the time between when it finishes preparing and when it starts.

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by dkgo

The game automatically starts generating the league file once the last person signs up. If you are the last one to sign up then you can still use the time between when it finishes preparing and when it starts.

Oh, after it prepares? I thought the timeframe for setting rosters ended when the league started being prepared.


Man, that's a fairly long wait if you're the last to sign up for a 128 team...

[Ile]

I would love some non-quick tournaments based on geography/areas.

E.g. we have a daily AL West, Central, East and NL West, Central, East portioned out over the week where we only can use players from that division (based on todays divisions obviously).

Or based on the players nationalities, e.g. USA, Canada or North America/South America/Rest of world type of tournaments.

I want to be forced to not pick basically the same 12-13 players for nearly every tournament I enter.

Edit: Or height restrictions, weight restriction. Based on draft round picked, like only late rounders (outside of first 5 rounds).

[FlaviusFlav]

Do the big tournaments start if they aren't full or do they just keep extending the start time? If they don't start when they are not full it doesn't seem like they are ever going to start.. not a lot of people are going to want to sit and waste the opportunity of playing in tournaments that actually start, at least as long as the whole system is fresh and new.

[Morgans Magic]

Has anyone had success in Cap'd leagues without Perfects?
I've been trying to use pitcher/hitters but I can't ever make headway against the all 100 pitching staffs and am considering giving up on the capped games. I'm FTP and the Young/Matthewson/Gibson/Fellers are crushing me.

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by Morgans Magic

Has anyone had success in Cap'd leagues without Perfects?
I've been trying to use pitcher/hitters but I can't ever make headway against the all 100 pitching staffs and am considering giving up on the capped games. I'm FTP and the Young/Matthewson/Gibson/Fellers are crushing me.

I would also be curious to see if any teams experienced any amount of success while incorporating a strategy focused more towards depth than the absolute extremes.

I don't necessarily expect a team of 25 65 OVR players to be successful, nor do I expect any strategy to work all or even most of the time, but I am curious to see if there is any room in the meta for teams built on value plays at all levels. If the meta for this mode is exclusively perfects then it isn't nearly as interesting as it could be because there would be a lot less choices that matter.

[dkgo]

The obvious flaw in capped tournaments is that there is a wide range of "true" values within the same nominal overall value. If live scherzer is a 100 then cy young is a 128. 99 Keefe is like a 120, the meta will always shift to those plays and pitching is king.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

I would also be curious to see if any teams experienced any amount of success while incorporating a strategy focused more towards depth than the absolute extremes.

My first attempts were made with a roster of mostly bronze in order to have a full bullpen without iron and at least a competent backup at every position. It was totally unsuccessful but it was also a small sample size. I think it could work better with a few irons sprinkled in the bullpen and bench in order to have some gold/silver in key roles. I think the idea has promise. Sure, you will be shutout sometimes by the perfect starter, but so will the team with perfect batters.

[camonroe]

Originally Posted by Morgans Magic

Has anyone had success in Cap'd leagues without Perfects?
I've been trying to use pitcher/hitters but I can't ever make headway against the all 100 pitching staffs and am considering giving up on the capped games. I'm FTP and the Young/Matthewson/Gibson/Fellers are crushing me.

My opinion is that a perfect rotation is the best strategy.

Perfect pitchers, especially the selected best ones, usually keep the score very low against perfect linups, and have no problem shutting down average ones.

If you face them with an average pitcher, they just need a few runs and it's game over.

[steamrollers]

Originally Posted by Morgans Magic

Has anyone had success in Cap'd leagues without Perfects?
I've been trying to use pitcher/hitters but I can't ever make headway against the all 100 pitching staffs and am considering giving up on the capped games. I'm FTP and the Young/Matthewson/Gibson/Fellers are crushing me.

I have had some minor success granted still needing a couple mid upper 90s pitchers to have a prayer. As I mentioned in the perfect Pedro this probably wasn’t the intended outcome when lower capped tourneys were created. They have clearly been exploited already by whale type rotations with their million plus starting rotations. There is no need to get rid of those tourneys but adding some more restrictions on new cap tourneys would be a good idea. Players who can’t field a cy young Walter Johnson etc etc rotation will get discouraged quick and interest in tourneys will fall quickly if it is just the elite perfect teams dominating low cap tourneys. It would be like a perfect league champ destroying silver league each week.

[macacks]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

I would also be curious to see if any teams experienced any amount of success while incorporating a strategy focused more towards depth than the absolute extremes.

I don't necessarily expect a team of 25 65 OVR players to be successful, nor do I expect any strategy to work all or even most of the time, but I am curious to see if there is any room in the meta for teams built on value plays at all levels. If the meta for this mode is exclusively perfects then it isn't nearly as interesting as it could be because there would be a lot less choices that matter.

For depth to work you just need to steal one game (maybe 2 if their deep) vs the perfects. Then the rest begins to catch up to them. The studs and duds strategy (which i use) may seem like it works all the time but it really doesn't because if the series isn't swept or done early the rest gets you.

Ultimately in a short series/playoff both strategies are a bit of gamble. One you play for a stolen win and one you play for a short series where you get rest.

[steamrollers]

LOL the team that just won the daily low cap 1500, yes 1500, had a starting rotation of Waddell, Hubbell, R. Johnson and of course the runner up was the Blue Rocks who got the Perfect Pedro and has been terrorizing low cap tourneys. Something very obviously needs to be done, I can at least be somewhat competitive with what I have but I do feel bad for players that think they have a chance in this low cap tourneys and field a solid team but don't have the luxury of a millionaire club starting rotation

[Westheim]

Perfect pitchers, and especially not live perfect pitchers. In fact, don't touch any live pitcher, ever, except for garbage roles.

Since you use some players more than others, it makes sense that some players should be better than others. This is why the all-same approach should fail most of the time. I have been hiding Harry Chitis and Pretzel Pezzullos in my rosters. Hey, I won once, must count for something.

[Dogberry99]

I feel the need to clarify... I don't begrudge anyone for having the top pitchers or for finding success with the capped tournament formats.

I merely want to gauge how flexible the emerging meta lineups are for capped tournaments. I may be disappointed in the way in which perfect historic pitching appears to possibly play such an oversized role and how roster flexibility appears to be less than I had hoped, but I don't necessarily believe that any of this means that anything should be changed.

Even if these pitching requirements hold true, it is still an interesting tournament format that, at least under certain circumstances, is worth playing.

[dkgo]

Originally Posted by macacks

For depth to work you just need to steal one game (maybe 2 if their deep) vs the perfects. Then the rest begins to catch up to them. The studs and duds strategy (which i use) may seem like it works all the time but it really doesn't because if the series isn't swept or done early the rest gets you.

Ultimately in a short series/playoff both strategies are a bit of gamble. One you play for a stolen win and one you play for a short series where you get rest.

It's not a matter of depth or not, but having 4 perfect pitchers and a lineup mixed between 50-70 is far better than having all of your players in the 70s for example.

It's also up for the user to decide how much fatigue matters at all. When doing test 1625 tournaments the first one was won by a guy with just a backup catcher, every other starter played every game and even at 0% seemed perfectly fine in the championship series. So I copied that strategy, freed up an extra 40 points or so that had been used on backup position players to make some upgrades, and won the next 32 man I entered with just 10 position players.

[Westheim]

I'm trying to get around having five starting pitcher when the fifth maybe will never be used because I can zoom through a best-of-five quick enough (hey, one can dream, right?). Four SP worked fine when stamina was lower, but it does not seem to work that well anymore (at least not past the first few rounds) and I have to junk all my rosters.

Does it work if I set a 4-man rotation and use a fifth starter in the pen set up either as:

Primary: emergency SP / Secondary: Long Relief

or

Primary: Long Relief / Secondary: Emergency SP

Does that guy actually get used as starter when the next starter-starter up is not sufficiently rested?

[macacks]

Originally Posted by dkgo

It's not a matter of depth or not, but having 4 perfect pitchers and a lineup mixed between 50-70 is far better than having all of your players in the 70s for example.

It's also up for the user to decide how much fatigue matters at all. When doing test 1625 tournaments the first one was won by a guy with just a backup catcher, every other starter played every game and even at 0% seemed perfectly fine in the championship series. So I copied that strategy, freed up an extra 40 points or so that had been used on backup position players to make some upgrades, and won the next 32 man I entered with just 10 position players.

I agree.
That is also what i do and have won a lot of the tournaments i entered as well. i was merely saying that if the Depth route is the way you have to go then you need to steal a game so that Fatigue (or rest) plays a part in the series.
The tournaments i have lost (where i thought i should have won) have been because of fatigue.

[Pine Tar]

I just started playing tournaments and thought the cap 1625 was the way to go. My top cards are a couple golds and nothing better. I soon learned that without that killer SP rotation you are dead in the water. You can get lucky once in a while and win using a gold against a perfect but that is the exception. My thought that cap would level the field was very wrong.

I enjoy tournaments even though I have not had much success. Building lineups and then tweaking out what doesn't work is fun. Round robins can be frustrating also, the last one I did I won all games in 1st round then lost 1 in second, The team that beat me had a worst record than I did.

The tournaments are fun but I still see them as a work in progress,

Pine

[One Great Matrix]

Originally Posted by Westheim

I'm trying to get around having five starting pitcher when the fifth maybe will never be used because I can zoom through a best-of-five quick enough (hey, one can dream, right?). Four SP worked fine when stamina was lower, but it does not seem to work that well anymore (at least not past the first few rounds) and I have to junk all my rosters.

Does it work if I set a 4-man rotation and use a fifth starter in the pen set up either as:

Primary: emergency SP / Secondary: Long Relief

or

Primary: Long Relief / Secondary: Emergency SP

Does that guy actually get used as starter when the next starter-starter up is not sufficiently rested?

One thing (out of more than one that might effectively do what you're aiming for (create a swing man)) you can do is set up a 5-man rotation...set rest to Always Start Highest Rested...and then they will forego the 5th man if the #1 is ready... If you are set on using #5 in SOME role if not starter then you can also turn on Allow SP in Relief, & pick whatever role you'd like for him out of the pen. Leaving the other 4 starters pen's role as None Specified often keeps them from being used in a relief role.