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02-14-2019, 01:34 PM | #1 |
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Luck too important in PT
Been playing the game and enjoying it....sort of. When I say 'luck is too important" , I mean variability between the same players/cards in the same league. Example, there should not be an almost 200 point Batting Ave difference between 2 1941 Ted Williams that are on separate teams, in the same league, all eventually facing the same teams. Otherwise I see it as a big turn off to the PT part of the game. I also reviewed the stats of all the Trouts in the league. There are 12. The variability between the best and worst is very big. So one teams Trout leads the league in WAR because of good luck and another teams Trout is a below average player because of bad luck? I hope OOTP is noticing this a does something to fix it in 2020.
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02-14-2019, 01:41 PM | #2 |
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You can't expect to have every 100 Trout perform at 100 every season.
The game would REALLY get boring quickly since there always will be multiple Trouts, Mookies, etc... Just like players, some have off years. So your cards will, too. The fun and challenge is to figure out your puzzle pieces and how to arrange your cast of characters each season into a winning product. Knowing all this ahead of time and knowing that every other team faces the same hurdles eases the stress Last edited by webdox; 02-14-2019 at 01:42 PM. |
02-14-2019, 01:55 PM | #3 |
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It’s on an at bat by at bat basis. Trout doesn’t have the same stats every year. There HAS to be some variability within the game. I find it’s fairly balanced overall although yes the game is prone to some players having off years overall. Also some of the variables can be influenced by you - like the ballpark factors and your team and individual player strategy settings.
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02-14-2019, 02:34 PM | #4 | |
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*shrugs* I apologize for wanting the ratings to mean more than they do, I guess...
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02-14-2019, 02:55 PM | #5 |
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I've played baseball games for the last 50 years, all the way back to Replay Baseball designed and printed in Carmichaels, PA. In every one of them, players sometimes did better and sometimes did worst - because the possibilities were the result of a "dice roll".
I don't know about you, but although 100 rolls of a die will result in fewer 2's and 12's than anything else, I had plenty bad seasons when all I could throw was a 7. Out of all those games, there never was one that was an "exact" replay, because the only way that could ever happen is to start with the player's season stats and subtract each result until you matched the real stats exactly. That is not a game I want to play. |
02-14-2019, 03:11 PM | #6 |
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I like it fine. Luck is part of everything. Just think if the apple would have fallen behind Newton just 6 inches where would we be? So I keep playing and posting here about playing and other trivial stuff.
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02-14-2019, 03:13 PM | #7 | |
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But that's the nature of the game. Ratings matter - Pedro Martinez will almost always outperform Carlos Martinez over the season. But it just shows that the variability in baseball is pretty big. |
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02-14-2019, 03:28 PM | #8 |
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I think it is possible to both understand random processes AND to believe that the variance of performance of players is possibly greater than explained by a series of independent random draw from the same underlying probability distribution.
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02-14-2019, 03:35 PM | #9 | |
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and that randomness carries over to the real MLB.... how else could you get a trivia question like: what do Cy Young, Sandy Koufax, Randy Johnson, Dallas Braden and Philip Humber all have in common? (all have throw a perfect game; but most people have probably never heard of the last two) |
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02-14-2019, 03:42 PM | #10 |
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Interesting responses.
I get that players have streaks in baseball and can have really bad slumps. BUT...the cards have ratings based on actual previous performance and should for the most part perform as rated over a 162 game, 600 AB season. This is not a small sample size. So If there is a "sliding scale" of the ratings (low to high ratings potential), then we dont get to see it. Maybe they should open the game engine so we can see. While I dont expect a 1941 Ted Williams to hit .400. every PT season. I also dont agree with him hitting .235 over an entire season. That would be an entire season of slumping and I would argue is then not realistic to how the 1941 real life Ted performed. |
02-14-2019, 04:09 PM | #11 | |
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02-14-2019, 04:17 PM | #12 |
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02-14-2019, 04:35 PM | #13 |
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While I agree with those who say that the game would be pretty boring if every card was always and exactly as rated, I also agree that there is something more than just random chance at work. The fluctuations are just too great over large numbers of at-bats. Maybe every year the game engine assigns every card a random multiplier that is applied to the card's ratings. The multiplier range might be say, 0.75 to 1.25, but could be any range. In my theoretical, each card would then play anywhere from 25% worse than normal to 25% better than normal in any given year.
That's one completely unfounded theory any way. |
02-14-2019, 04:42 PM | #14 | |
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Its makes no sense for a hitter with a 80 contact rating vs both Right and Left to hit 225 over 162 games. |
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02-14-2019, 07:10 PM | #15 |
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Not only that, but 1941 Ted Williams is only an average player in perfect. If every card who should supposedly be getting 8+ WAR a year performs that way, the league would be a complete disaster. Actually, it would be impossible anyway.
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02-14-2019, 07:11 PM | #16 | |
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02-14-2019, 07:15 PM | #17 |
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The crazy thing about this game is that more often than not, the other team is trying to win, too!
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02-14-2019, 08:08 PM | #18 |
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02-14-2019, 08:10 PM | #19 |
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02-14-2019, 09:06 PM | #20 |
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The OP raised an issue about variance: the occasional large difference in the performance of the same player in the same environment. This concern is completely different from complaints about Williams not hitting .400.
I also have come to believe, as was proposed above, that OOTP applies some factor to each player that modifies their ratings, perhaps over the course of a season or perhaps over a period of less than a season. (Other means exist for getting to this result, but that is the basic idea). |
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