Playing through games

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Toast

O.K. last night in starting a game I decide to view the opposing pitcher's personal page and his pitching log of recent games. Before the game was played his log stated the game was a loss but gave no score. I played out the game and it was a loss. So I'll retract my first statement on the matter ... it seems the specific score is not determined but the final result of the game is. This would go in lines with my idea that the game fills in the game data back rather than forward from the aggravate final result.

Toast

I just started a game and checked this out before any pitches were thrown..

So after checking the opposing pitcher's game log did you check your pitcher's game log too before starting?

Guess what it will list it a loss too. So did both teams lose the game?

Just for giggles I also checked out my leadoff hitter's game log and it listed it as a loss too. The opposing team's leadoff hitter's game log? yeah it shows it as a loss too Every player's game log? Yeah both home and visiting shows as a loss

So either both teams always lose and my team always ends up 0-162 and the AI team can only win games against other AI teams, or the opposing team always loses and I go 162-0. Which is it?

Suppose just maybe the computer has to put something in that field and it just defaults to loss?

See the problem with jumping to conclusions without even putting in the most minimal effort to confirm your "chicken little" theories before posting them Wow!

Who knows maybe this thread will teach you and the other conspiracy theory players something? Unfortunately I doubt it will

[tcblcommish]

I don't think it means anything, like I said, I'm sure it's put there to just have something there to fill that spot.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

Ok doing it that way, it does say that in my game vs the Dodgers that Kershaw is going to get a loss but so is Morrow my pitcher. I would imagine that it does this because this field has to be completed with something but both pitchers can't lose

Hey c'mon our yeast like friend is on to something here. Pointing out that both starting pitchers get a loss just complicates the matter at hand. That OOTP predetermines one team will lose a game before it ever gets played is a huge issue. I myself am glad that there are folks out there that purchase OOTP with more on their minds that fun and games. What will you point out next Mr Commish, if I can call you that to save letters....I bet you might tell us something like each and every batter in the game also shows that he's getting a loss. But, that doesn't lessen anything Toast points out.

Watts

[David Watts]

Oh I see it was Sweed that beat you to it.

[David Watts]

You know what really gets me? Why does the game play with our emotions by providing fake preseason predictions, when it clear now that the entire season is played out ahead of time, the results stored and presented to us in the form of boxscores and stats.

Oh and last night I swear I opened my game and it said OOTP 17 for 10 seconds before changing back to 16. So, I ask, has Markus already release OOTP 17 and just isn't telling us?

Tuna

[Toast]

Originally Posted by David Watts

You know what really gets me? Why does the game play with our emotions by providing fake preseason predictions, when it clear now that the entire season is played out ahead of time, the results stored and presented to us in the form of boxscores and stats.

Oh and last night I swear I opened my game and it said OOTP 17 for 10 seconds before changing back to 16. So, I ask, has Markus already release OOTP 17 and just isn't telling us?

Tuna

No I think the pre-season predictions are valid since no games have been played to that point.

I keep on thinking now in terms of statistics ... a nominal statistic ... a win or loss distinction in name only that could be pre-determined and a comparative statistic being the difference between the two in said performance. The latter would represent the for mentioned process of filling in the data from a set point. Just a guess through.

Toast

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Toast

No I think the pre-season predictions are valid since no games have been played to that point.

I keep on thinking now in terms of statistics ... a nominal statistic ... a win or loss distinction in name only that could be pre-determined and a comparative statistic being the difference between the two in said performance. The latter would represent the for mentioned process of filling in the data from a set point. Just a guess through.

Toast

I really hope you keep looking into this. What kind of tests are you running? If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.

Fishstick

[tcblcommish]

Getting back to the original thing about the simming and playing of games, I just played about 2 months of games while watching a couple of movies on a lazy bum around the house day and not once did I see anyone bunt in any situation except a pitcher in normal situations. So again, no idea where this is coming from.

I'm playing a normally set up real league playing as the St. Louis Cardinals. I have played games in AL parks as well with a DH and nothing there either so I don't know what to say about the weird bunting

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

I have been playing out games in ootp since I can remember and just off the top of my head, in ootp 12 I played 8 seasons of games, in 13, I played 7 seasons, in 14, I played about 5 seasons and 15 I played 10. I can probably count the number of times a power hitter sitting somewhere near the middle of the lineup bunted for anything. There is some weird things that have happened in games that I question sometimes but this is so rare to me that I find it weird that it is even brought up considering it happens so often "you could cry".

I've seen Mike Trout batting third in the lineup attempt a bunt with a guy on first, no outs, down by three runs in the 7th... That's the specific one I can remember. There have been a few other times where guys sac bunted when down by several runs.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I've seen Mike Trout batting third in the lineup attempt a bunt with a guy on first, no outs, down by three runs in the 7th... That's the specific one I can remember. There have been a few other times where guys sac bunted when down by several runs.

Not sure what to tell you about that, I havent seen it in 2 months of playing at all. I've even paid attention to all the at bats for the most part that have come and gone and nothing weird so far. Maybe I've been lucky but if it happens as much as you said before, I should have seen it by now. I'm still playing as it's an OOTP day today but still haven't seen anything. Not sure why I'm so different

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

Not sure what to tell you about that, I havent seen it in 2 months of playing at all. I've even paid attention to all the at bats for the most part that have come and gone and nothing weird so far. Maybe I've been lucky but if it happens as much as you said before, I should have seen it by now. I'm still playing as it's an OOTP day today but still haven't seen anything. Not sure why I'm so different

"So often I cry" is a bit of an exaggeration since seeing it once makes me cry. Seen it maybe five times in a sample of 500-1000 games. But even once is one too many.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ezpkns34

As a proud, longstanding member of both the Illuminutty & Build-a-Burger groups, I can confirm that there is no international conspiracy involving a coverup of predetermined game outcomes in OOTP

So, nothing to see here

You're right! We all live in the U.S.!

[The Wolf]

I'm investing in tinfoil futures myself. There are far more wackos in this world than I ever thought.

[Toast]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I'm investing in tinfoil futures myself. There are far more wackos in this world than I ever thought.

Why don't you see within your self to contribute in a more constructive and hopefully positive fashion. This really gets tiring.I mean we are just talking about the sim and that what we have noticed! I mean there's no ego bolstering here ... just the sim! Goodness!

Toast

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I've seen Mike Trout batting third in the lineup attempt a bunt with a guy on first, no outs, down by three runs in the 7th... That's the specific one I can remember. There have been a few other times where guys sac bunted when down by several runs.

Why don't you post screenshots of these poor strategic bunts?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Toast

Why don't you see within your self to contribute in a more constructive and hopefully positive fashion. This really gets tiring.I mean we are just talking about the sim and that what we have noticed! I mean there's no ego bolstering here ... just the sim! Goodness!

Toast

The reason is because your entire position is completely irrational and has already been disproven. All I am ever going to do is mock it, because that's all it deserves.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I've seen Mike Trout batting third in the lineup attempt a bunt with a guy on first, no outs, down by three runs in the 7th... That's the specific one I can remember. There have been a few other times where guys sac bunted when down by several runs.

Change your strategy settings. If your players are bunting, it's your own fault.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

The reason is because your entire position is completely irrational and has already been disproven. All I am ever going to do is mock it, because that's all it deserves.

I'm stunned that you of all people refuse to acknowledge that Toast just might be on to something here. Did you even see his post about the starting pitcher being declared the losing pitcher before a game was even played? Open your eyes.

Cruton

[khucke]

Amusing thread! I always check it first thing in the morning. May it never be closed!

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm stunned that you of all people refuse to acknowledge that Toast just might be on to something here. Did you even see his post about the starting pitcher being declared the losing pitcher before a game was even played? Open your eyes.

Cruton

David, I know that you're milking this for all that it's worth, but other people might think you were serious.