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Ty Cobb · 08-07-2019, 10:22 AM

I've got a team in Perfect. They truly are uncompetitive there, and I just want to start over. What's the easiest way, staying within the TOS, to clean house and go back down?

Bottom line: I lack the resources to effectively compete with someone who can afford to purchase 40+ perfect cards. I'm not bitter or angry, I just don't want to waste my time trying when there's clearly no point.

Looking for an effective solution that stays in the rules.

mcdog512 · 08-07-2019, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

I've got a team in Perfect. They truly are uncompetitive there, and I just want to start over. What's the easiest way, staying within the TOS, to clean house and go back down?

Bottom line: I lack the resources to effectively compete with someone who can afford to purchase 40+ perfect cards. I'm not bitter or angry, I just don't want to waste my time trying when there's clearly no point.

Looking for an effective solution that stays in the rules.

What level are you playing at?

There really isn't a mechanism in game and I think that you would affect other players in your league. I suppose a multi-season transition might work where you slowly sell off players to pick whatever sort of players you need to build a new team.

Edster007 · 08-07-2019, 10:33 AM

In my opinion the tos say "deliberately trying to lose" that would mean deactivating cards to place lesser cards in your lineup to lose and be demoted only to flip your team back once relegated. That isn't what you are trying to do.

Ty Cobb · 08-07-2019, 10:34 AM

My team is in Perfect.

Ty Cobb · 08-07-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Edster007

In my opinion the tos say "deliberately trying to lose" that would mean deactivating cards to place lesser cards in your lineup to lose and be demoted only to flip your team back once relegated. That isn't what you are trying to do.

If I sell 'em all off, then I drop down over the course of weeks, and I've got a great big fat pile of points. Is that SSDD?

dkgo · 08-07-2019, 10:46 AM

just start selling your cards and get relegated. as long as you aren't putting all irons out there and going 20-142 then no one will even notice or care

Matt Arnold · 08-07-2019, 11:41 AM

Unofficially, as long as you're really not making a mockery of things, nobody will notice or care. I'm in a similar boat - after 3-4 weeks in the whale league, I thought things would be better, but this week had 2 big belugas in my division and I'm not in any better shape.

Don't sell everyone off and play all bronze cards, that's going to get reported. But if you're still playing guys who can legit play their positions and you're not getting mauled every game, then it should be "safe".

bailey · 08-07-2019, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Don't sell everyone off and play all bronze cards, that's going to get reported. But if you're still playing guys who can legit play their positions and you're not getting mauled every game, then it should be "safe".

Surely, you mean don't hide your best cards on the inactive list. Selling your best players can't be against the TOS. Maybe you hope to buy them back later for less.

Ty Cobb · 08-07-2019, 12:24 PM

Appreciate everyone's input. I had an all diamond rotation and was getting hammered. I'm going to turn it into a theme team over time. Thinking about saving my points I gather up and going for a Tigertown historic team.

Heck, in a couple of months that might be competitive at any level...

Charlatan · 08-07-2019, 12:43 PM

I know it's not possible for every theme team, but when I decided to remake one of my teams, I devoted a lot of time one weekend to ditching the old and getting the new. Granted, it wasn't in Perfect, and it's not always possible to remake a team over a weekend, but I feel it worked well.

Ty Cobb · 08-07-2019, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

Surely, you mean don't hide your best cards on the inactive list. Selling your best players can't be against the TOS. Maybe you hope to buy them back later for less.

I'm ditching all my Live's and most of the non-Tigers to start with. Eventually, it'll be a Tigers theme team...I'd call it the Motown Maulers, but Markus hasn't seen fit to issue an Aretha card yet!

Josquin · 08-07-2019, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

I've got a team in Perfect. They truly are uncompetitive there, and I just want to start over. What's the easiest way, staying within the TOS, to clean house and go back down?

Bottom line: I lack the resources to effectively compete with someone who can afford to purchase 40+ perfect cards. I'm not bitter or angry, I just don't want to waste my time trying when there's clearly no point.

Looking for an effective solution that stays in the rules.

If you're truly uncompetitive, then a few tweaks should be enough to get you relegated, no? Replace your best defenders with the worst you can find (without explicitly "tanking"), give your best starters a low pitch count, etc. There are lots of creative ways to be bad.

Dogberry99 · 08-07-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Unofficially, as long as you're really not making a mockery of things, nobody will notice or care. I'm in a similar boat - after 3-4 weeks in the whale league, I thought things would be better, but this week had 2 big belugas in my division and I'm not in any better shape.

Don't sell everyone off and play all bronze cards, that's going to get reported. But if you're still playing guys who can legit play their positions and you're not getting mauled every game, then it should be "safe".

With all due respect, this is not a helpful reply when coming from a member of the official game administration. You're among those who makes the decision on what constitutes making a mockery of things, yet you are leaving it up to us to decide how far we will go before we cross that line. Extreme cases are easy, but its difficult to know how much we can do before we've gone just a bit too far.

We're continually asking questions like those in the OP because of answers like the one provided here.

Edster007 · 08-07-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

I'm ditching all my Live's and most of the non-Tigers to start with. Eventually, it'll be a Tigers theme team...I'd call it the Motown Maulers, but Markus hasn't seen fit to issue an Aretha card yet!

I think your safe, it would only be tanking if you were doing a Padres theme team

SpacePope · 08-07-2019, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogberry99

With all due respect, this is not a helpful reply when coming from a member of the official game administration. You're among those who makes the decision on what constitutes making a mockery of things, yet you are leaving it up to us to decide how far we will go before we cross that line. Extreme cases are easy, but its difficult to know how much we can do before we've gone just a bit too far.

We're continually asking questions like those in the OP because of answers like the one provided here.

I think the thing to focus on from his post is to not get noticed or reported. The devs are probably only policing for really egregious cases and letting the community police the edge cases. People aren't going to report a bad Perfect League team in Perfect, but they'll report a bad Bronze League team in Perfect.

Dogberry99 · 08-07-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SpacePope

I think the thing to focus on from his post is to not get noticed or reported. The devs are probably only policing for really egregious cases and letting the community police the edge cases. People aren't going to report a bad Perfect League team in Perfect, but they'll report a bad Bronze League team in Perfect.

I do not believe that the enforcement of fringe cases should be the responsibility of the community. We don't need a posse to enforce frontier justice on those of us who go a bit farther than they think is appropriate. Leave the policing to the actual police.

As one who was accused of cheating and tanking by members of this community, I may be a bit biased in this regard though.

Dogberry99 · 08-07-2019, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

Surely, you mean don't hide your best cards on the inactive list. Selling your best players can't be against the TOS. Maybe you hope to buy them back later for less.

If the OP intends to transition to a theme team, then it is very possible that their best cards may be on the inactive list, especially if they want to keep them for collection purposes. As such, hiding players, at least in certain contexts, also can't be against the TOS.

SpacePope · 08-07-2019, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogberry99

I do not believe that the enforcement of fringe cases should be the responsibility of the community. We don't need a posse to enforce frontier justice on those of us who go a bit farther than they think is appropriate. Leave the policing to the actual police.

As one who was accused of cheating and tanking by members of this community, I may be a bit biased in this regard though.

I 99% agree. Just like any police, they should be open to tips. But just because one or two overly concerned neighborhood watch types complain doesn't mean the devs need to follow up. Most of us couldn't care less if our neighbors music is a little loud or if they're starting Bobby Bonds when they have Barry on reserves.

Ty Cobb · 08-07-2019, 03:05 PM

If personality was an overriding concern, I'd have neither Bonds on my team. Anyone ever thought of a collection mission based on the players who were most ornery?

Orcin · 08-07-2019, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

I've got a team in Perfect. They truly are uncompetitive there, and I just want to start over. What's the easiest way, staying within the TOS, to clean house and go back down?

Bottom line: I lack the resources to effectively compete with someone who can afford to purchase 40+ perfect cards. I'm not bitter or angry, I just don't want to waste my time trying when there's clearly no point.

Looking for an effective solution that stays in the rules.

The answer to your question is Matt Arnold's post. Do it gradually and you will be fine. Use common sense and don't be dramatic about it.

Decide which of your best cards don't fit your team's new direction, and post them for auction. Replace them with reasonable cards, such as gold or low diamond while you are in perfect level. As you build up points from auctioning, bank the points until you get to the level where you want to start your rebuild. If you want to drop from diamond to gold, follow the same approach except now you can mix in silver and bronze cards. If you don't want to sell any more cards, inactivate a few of your best keeper cards. When you get to the desired level, spend your points.

08-07-2019, 10:22 AM	#1
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,940 Blog Entries: 66	Question for all I've got a team in Perfect. They truly are uncompetitive there, and I just want to start over. What's the easiest way, staying within the TOS, to clean house and go back down? Bottom line: I lack the resources to effectively compete with someone who can afford to purchase 40+ perfect cards. I'm not bitter or angry, I just don't want to waste my time trying when there's clearly no point. Looking for an effective solution that stays in the rules. __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.—Thomas Sowell "Alinsky works for me now."

08-07-2019, 10:34 AM	#4
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,940 Blog Entries: 66	My team is in Perfect. __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.—Thomas Sowell "Alinsky works for me now."

08-07-2019, 12:24 PM	#9
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,940 Blog Entries: 66	Appreciate everyone's input. I had an all diamond rotation and was getting hammered. I'm going to turn it into a theme team over time. Thinking about saving my points I gather up and going for a Tigertown historic team. Heck, in a couple of months that might be competitive at any level... __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.—Thomas Sowell "Alinsky works for me now."

08-07-2019, 03:05 PM	#19
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,940 Blog Entries: 66	If personality was an overriding concern, I'd have neither Bonds on my team. Anyone ever thought of a collection mission based on the players who were most ornery? __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.—Thomas Sowell "Alinsky works for me now."

08-07-2019, 10:33 AM	#3
Edster007 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,673	In my opinion the tos say "deliberately trying to lose" that would mean deactivating cards to place lesser cards in your lineup to lose and be demoted only to flip your team back once relegated. That isn't what you are trying to do.

08-07-2019, 10:46 AM	#6
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	just start selling your cards and get relegated. as long as you aren't putting all irons out there and going 20-142 then no one will even notice or care

08-07-2019, 11:41 AM	#7
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,136	Unofficially, as long as you're really not making a mockery of things, nobody will notice or care. I'm in a similar boat - after 3-4 weeks in the whale league, I thought things would be better, but this week had 2 big belugas in my division and I'm not in any better shape. Don't sell everyone off and play all bronze cards, that's going to get reported. But if you're still playing guys who can legit play their positions and you're not getting mauled every game, then it should be "safe".

08-07-2019, 12:43 PM	#10
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	I know it's not possible for every theme team, but when I decided to remake one of my teams, I devoted a lot of time one weekend to ditching the old and getting the new. Granted, it wasn't in Perfect, and it's not always possible to remake a team over a weekend, but I feel it worked well.