Possibility of Random Debut Feature? - Page 6

pucku33 · 04-01-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by oman19

What about guys like Ichiro and such. Will the game handle them as international free agents in a random year or will they appear in a draft at the age they first appeared in MLB OR will they appear as a 18 year old and you get them for their full career?

I plan on manually moving players age down to 22 if fully developed, 20 is half, 18 if non-developed for players that enter at an age over 23 (ichiro, jose contreras..etc)

Lee · 04-02-2012, 01:36 AM

Have my random debut league all set, with four major leagues that will begin play in 1900, that will be associated and involve all four league champions. Four independant class B minor leagues, each with an affiliation to one of the majors, no minor league playoffs.

League associations and the random debut feature are going to breath new life into historical replays for me. Can't wait for Friday!!

Base Stealer · 04-02-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

This feature is sick.

I'm running another league, starting in 1871. This time, I've decided to draft a SP with my first overall pick. Since SP in this age start and finish almost all their games, snagging a great SP would be a coup.

So, I am sitting with the #4 overall pick...

I watch the Baltimore Canaries take 23 year LF Ted Williams at #1. Ross Barnes at #2. SS Cecil Travis at #3...

And who is there, at the top of the pitching pool?

A 24 year lefty from Brooklyn.

I made Sandy Koufax my first pick.

30 starts. 26 complete games. 3 shutouts. 373 strikeouts. He clinches Game 4 of the World Series with a 11 k shutout of the St. Louis Stockings.

This is neat.

As i told before, this feature made me get this version....have not been so excited for a game to come out for years!!!
And Raidergoo, thanks a lot for your stories....you're helping me in arriving to friday.....

rogmax11 · 04-02-2012, 11:58 AM

Quick question to those in the know: do the draft pools scale up or down in number of players available depending on the number of teams in the league, or in the association? And additionally, how are the ratios among positions/pitchers handled? For instance, in 1900 the draft class is miniscule by comparison with 1901, and that class is dwarfed by 1914-1915. If doing something like Lee is proposing, how do the draft classes allow for the different league terrains?

fauteuil7 · 04-05-2012, 05:13 PM

I'm sure you can do this at the database level, but when you create a new league with this feature in-game, it would be cool to be able to set an import age range so you can only import players who were no older than 25 into the inaugural draft. Or for that matter, just change every player's age to 23.

Also, if you start a league and delete older players before the inaugural draft, they will not show up in later seasons, right? So if you've got Andre Dawson at 35, you'll never see him at 24?

Spritze · 04-05-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fauteuil7

Also, if you start a league and delete older players before the inaugural draft, they will not show up in later seasons, right? So if you've got Andre Dawson at 35, you'll never see him at 24?

True.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 04-05-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

This feature is sick.

I'm running another league, starting in 1871. This time, I've decided to draft a SP with my first overall pick. Since SP in this age start and finish almost all their games, snagging a great SP would be a coup.

So, I am sitting with the #4 overall pick...

I watch the Baltimore Canaries take 23 year LF Ted Williams at #1. Ross Barnes at #2. SS Cecil Travis at #3...

And who is there, at the top of the pitching pool?

A 24 year lefty from Brooklyn.

I made Sandy Koufax my first pick.

30 starts. 26 complete games. 3 shutouts. 373 strikeouts. He clinches Game 4 of the World Series with a 11 k shutout of the St. Louis Stockings.

This is neat.

Koufax should've went second even if Ross and Cecil were great players there's no way Koufax should've been passed over (for tomorrow) like that.

Raidergoo · 04-05-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DustinthePOWERHOUSE

Koufax should've went second even if Ross and Cecil were great players there's no way Koufax should've been passed over (for tomorrow) like that.

It's a double-edged sword. My team dominated when Sandy was healthy. When he wasn't...well, it was not pretty. Sadly, missed a bunch of starts.

The first three picks in this test league went to the HoF (I do mine manually, it's a judgment call).

I do think if you start in 1871 that it is a good idea to take a SP with your first pick.

Cornelius McGillicuddy · 04-05-2012, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

It's a double-edged sword. My team dominated when Sandy was healthy. When he wasn't...well, it was not pretty. Sadly, missed a bunch of starts.

The first three picks in this test league went to the HoF (I do mine manually, it's a judgment call).

I do think if you start in 1871 that it is a good idea to take a SP with your first pick.

Yeah, that pretty well matched real life in the early sixties. I remember it along with the heartbreak in 1962.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 04-05-2012, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

It's a double-edged sword. My team dominated when Sandy was healthy. When he wasn't...well, it was not pretty. Sadly, missed a bunch of starts.

The first three picks in this test league went to the HoF (I do mine manually, it's a judgment call).

I do think if you start in 1871 that it is a good idea to take a SP with your first pick.

I'll still love him forever,

Raidergoo · 04-05-2012, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornelius McGillicuddy

Yeah, that pretty well matched real life in the early sixties. I remember it along with the heartbreak in 1962.

My dad was 11 in 1962.

Thundercrack · 04-05-2012, 09:45 PM

So what happens with Ruth in the random db, does he stay a SP his whole career?

Siv · 04-05-2012, 10:00 PM

Super fabulous addition to OOTP!!!! I cannot wait to see this play out.

John C · 04-05-2012, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thundercrack

So what happens with Ruth in the random db, does he stay a SP his whole career?

I had Ruth come into the league in 1991, as a SP. In 1994, he moved to the outfield. He was a two-time 20-game winner, and pitched very well. But Ruth, in the outfield, in the 90s? Holy crap.

I wish I had his stats still. Alas, I do not.

Cornelius McGillicuddy · 04-05-2012, 10:58 PM

I've always thought if Ruth had started his career in the outfield as a 20 year old in 1920 he would have hit 1000 home runs without steroids. Nobody would ever break his record. He was the greatest player of all time.

Charlie Hough · 04-06-2012, 02:16 AM

Just keep in mind that, since this is a new addition to the game, it may still take some time to perfect it. This feature has been tested with keen interest by the beta team, and I think many people will be thrilled with the random debuts as they're already handled. But there's nothing like a full release to truly uncover all of the strengths and weaknesses.

I think we're all going to find some fun and interesting things as the feature gets used on a mass scale. I think there will be variation in what people want in their results, so it could take some further tweaking and improvements to make sure that most people are happy.

But it should be fun to see how it unfolds.

malichai11 · 04-06-2012, 06:13 AM

I'm not sure how to make this work. I have Use Random rookies from all eras checked, and automatically import historical rookies unchecked. When it came time to fill up my draft pool this time I got fictional players. Do both of those options have to be checked in order to get random rookies from all eras? I'm sort've confused.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-06-2012, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malichai11

I'm not sure how to make this work. I have Use Random rookies from all eras checked, and automatically import historical rookies unchecked. When it came time to fill up my draft pool this time I got fictional players. Do both of those options have to be checked in order to get random rookies from all eras? I'm sort've confused.

Yes, you need to check the "automatically import historical rookies" or the game will create fictional players.

John C · 04-06-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cornelius McGillicuddy

I've always thought if Ruth had started his career in the outfield as a 20 year old in 1920 he would have hit 1000 home runs without steroids. Nobody would ever break his record. He was the greatest player of all time.

I ran a sim overnight, and Ruth showed up in 1986. It should be known that players, when in different eras, may put up stats that appear wacky (try Deion Sanders in the dead ball era, for instance). But I believe this is entirely appropriate for Ruth in the steroid era.

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Year/Team/League	Age	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	R	BB	HP	SF	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	VORP	WAR
1986 Cincinnati - MLB	18	24	41	5	3	0	0	4	1	1	0	0	9	0	0	.122	.143	.195	.338	-7	0.0	0.0
1987 Cincinnati - MLB	19	37	73	19	4	0	4	12	9	13	0	0	20	0	0	.260	.372	.479	.852	135	8.9	1.3
1988 Cincinnati - MLB	20	36	88	20	5	1	6	21	10	7	0	0	30	0	0	.227	.284	.511	.796	125	7.8	0.9
1989 Cincinnati - MLB	21	35	76	21	2	0	4	21	16	15	0	2	17	0	0	.276	.387	.461	.848	152	8.9	0.9
1990 Cincinnati - MLB	22	160	596	126	23	2	73	171	119	130	4	3	136	1	1	.211	.355	.624	.979	176	57.8	6.1
1991 Cincinnati - MLB	23	157	540	181	23	2	88	208	167	172	7	6	128	3	5	.335	.497	.874	1.371	279	152.2	16.0
1992 Cincinnati - MLB	24	157	559	173	26	1	77	161	149	161	2	3	101	13	7	.309	.463	.773	1.236	249	127.4	13.2
1993 Cincinnati - MLB	25	86	305	108	15	1	42	92	81	71	0	0	69	10	6	.354	.476	.823	1.299	256	80.0	8.4
1994 Cincinnati - MLB	26	144	480	168	25	4	68	176	148	148	5	3	104	10	10	.350	.505	.844	1.348	251	138.2	14.3
1995 Cincinnati - MLB	27	49	169	56	11	1	19	52	41	45	0	2	47	4	2	.331	.468	.746	1.213	224	38.3	4.1
1996 Cincinnati - MLB	28	157	539	200	24	4	77	163	169	151	7	1	130	10	2	.371	.513	.859	1.372	260	167.3	16.9
1997 Cincinnati - MLB	29	158	571	198	21	2	80	180	152	140	8	3	137	0	5	.347	.479	.811	1.290	237	146.1	13.2
1998 Cincinnati - MLB	30	158	554	193	18	4	88	194	155	132	4	4	134	4	3	.348	.474	.872	1.346	253	154.6	14.0
1999 Cincinnati - MLB	31	146	500	155	11	1	63	145	123	143	6	7	138	6	3	.310	.463	.714	1.177	209	100.6	11.6
2000 Cincinnati - MLB	32	133	490	164	20	0	63	140	140	127	1	1	130	2	3	.335	.472	.761	1.233	222	107.3	11.8
2001 Cincinnati - MLB	33	159	570	198	22	1	74	154	144	120	12	2	140	4	0	.347	.469	.779	1.248	231	137.5	14.0
2002 Cincinnati - MLB	34	50	180	57	10	0	23	49	50	35	0	1	47	0	1	.317	.426	.756	1.181	212	34.0	2.8
2003 Cincinnati - MLB	35	158	570	196	18	4	80	164	129	123	5	5	143	1	0	.344	.461	.811	1.271	228	137.6	14.0
2005 Chicago - MLB	37	107	384	106	10	0	31	73	69	69	3	4	92	2	1	.276	.387	.544	.931	152	30.5	3.0
2006 Boston - MLB	38	150	506	108	22	5	30	74	87	104	4	4	135	0	1	.213	.350	.455	.804	108	13.9	1.5
2007 Boston - MLB	39	136	472	112	25	1	14	64	63	79	5	4	120	0	1	.237	.350	.383	.733	94	4.6	0.3
Total MLB		        2397	8263	2564	338	34	1004	2318	2022	1986	73	55	2007	70	51	.310	.446	.724	1.169	213	1653.5	165.4

As an aside, he wasn't very good in the postseason.

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Year/Team/League	Age	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	R	BB	HP	SF	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	VORP	WAR
1987 Cincinnati - MLB	19	2	5	2	1	0	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	.400	.400	1.200	1.600	0	0.0	0.0
1991 Cincinnati - MLB	23	10	38	4	1	0	1	2	5	6	0	0	13	0	0	.105	.227	.211	.438	0	0.0	0.0
1992 Cincinnati - MLB	24	6	19	2	0	0	0	1	1	6	0	1	3	0	0	.105	.308	.105	.413	0	0.0	0.0
1993 Cincinnati - MLB	25	5	19	7	0	1	1	3	3	1	1	0	2	0	1	.368	.429	.632	1.060	0	0.0	0.0
1994 Cincinnati - MLB	26	17	62	9	3	0	5	13	11	9	1	0	14	1	1	.145	.264	.435	.699	0	0.0	0.0
1995 Cincinnati - MLB	27	4	11	1	1	0	0	1	2	6	0	0	3	0	0	.091	.412	.182	.594	0	0.0	0.0
1996 Cincinnati - MLB	28	12	36	8	1	0	7	10	10	16	1	0	14	0	0	.222	.472	.833	1.305	0	0.0	0.0
1997 Cincinnati - MLB	29	3	11	3	0	0	1	1	3	4	0	0	2	0	0	.273	.467	.545	1.012	0	0.0	0.0
2000 Cincinnati - MLB	32	3	9	1	0	0	1	2	1	3	0	0	6	0	0	.111	.333	.444	.778	0	0.0	0.0
Total MLB		        62	210	37	7	1	17	34	37	51	3	1	57	1	2	.176	.343	.462	.805	117	0.0

Markus Heinsohn · 04-06-2012, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John C

I ran a sim overnight, and Ruth showed up in 1986. It should be known that players, when in different eras, may put up stats that appear wacky (try Deion Sanders in the dead ball era, for instance). But I believe this is entirely appropriate for Ruth in the steroid era.

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Year/Team/League	Age	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	R	BB	HP	SF	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	VORP	WAR
1986 Cincinnati - MLB	18	24	41	5	3	0	0	4	1	1	0	0	9	0	0	.122	.143	.195	.338	-7	0.0	0.0
1987 Cincinnati - MLB	19	37	73	19	4	0	4	12	9	13	0	0	20	0	0	.260	.372	.479	.852	135	8.9	1.3
1988 Cincinnati - MLB	20	36	88	20	5	1	6	21	10	7	0	0	30	0	0	.227	.284	.511	.796	125	7.8	0.9
1989 Cincinnati - MLB	21	35	76	21	2	0	4	21	16	15	0	2	17	0	0	.276	.387	.461	.848	152	8.9	0.9
1990 Cincinnati - MLB	22	160	596	126	23	2	73	171	119	130	4	3	136	1	1	.211	.355	.624	.979	176	57.8	6.1
1991 Cincinnati - MLB	23	157	540	181	23	2	88	208	167	172	7	6	128	3	5	.335	.497	.874	1.371	279	152.2	16.0
1992 Cincinnati - MLB	24	157	559	173	26	1	77	161	149	161	2	3	101	13	7	.309	.463	.773	1.236	249	127.4	13.2
1993 Cincinnati - MLB	25	86	305	108	15	1	42	92	81	71	0	0	69	10	6	.354	.476	.823	1.299	256	80.0	8.4
1994 Cincinnati - MLB	26	144	480	168	25	4	68	176	148	148	5	3	104	10	10	.350	.505	.844	1.348	251	138.2	14.3
1995 Cincinnati - MLB	27	49	169	56	11	1	19	52	41	45	0	2	47	4	2	.331	.468	.746	1.213	224	38.3	4.1
1996 Cincinnati - MLB	28	157	539	200	24	4	77	163	169	151	7	1	130	10	2	.371	.513	.859	1.372	260	167.3	16.9
1997 Cincinnati - MLB	29	158	571	198	21	2	80	180	152	140	8	3	137	0	5	.347	.479	.811	1.290	237	146.1	13.2
1998 Cincinnati - MLB	30	158	554	193	18	4	88	194	155	132	4	4	134	4	3	.348	.474	.872	1.346	253	154.6	14.0
1999 Cincinnati - MLB	31	146	500	155	11	1	63	145	123	143	6	7	138	6	3	.310	.463	.714	1.177	209	100.6	11.6
2000 Cincinnati - MLB	32	133	490	164	20	0	63	140	140	127	1	1	130	2	3	.335	.472	.761	1.233	222	107.3	11.8
2001 Cincinnati - MLB	33	159	570	198	22	1	74	154	144	120	12	2	140	4	0	.347	.469	.779	1.248	231	137.5	14.0
2002 Cincinnati - MLB	34	50	180	57	10	0	23	49	50	35	0	1	47	0	1	.317	.426	.756	1.181	212	34.0	2.8
2003 Cincinnati - MLB	35	158	570	196	18	4	80	164	129	123	5	5	143	1	0	.344	.461	.811	1.271	228	137.6	14.0
2005 Chicago - MLB	37	107	384	106	10	0	31	73	69	69	3	4	92	2	1	.276	.387	.544	.931	152	30.5	3.0
2006 Boston - MLB	38	150	506	108	22	5	30	74	87	104	4	4	135	0	1	.213	.350	.455	.804	108	13.9	1.5
2007 Boston - MLB	39	136	472	112	25	1	14	64	63	79	5	4	120	0	1	.237	.350	.383	.733	94	4.6	0.3
Total MLB		        2397	8263	2564	338	34	1004	2318	2022	1986	73	55	2007	70	51	.310	.446	.724	1.169	213	1653.5	165.4

As an aside, he wasn't very good in the postseason.

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Year/Team/League	Age	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	R	BB	HP	SF	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	VORP	WAR
1987 Cincinnati - MLB	19	2	5	2	1	0	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	.400	.400	1.200	1.600	0	0.0	0.0
1991 Cincinnati - MLB	23	10	38	4	1	0	1	2	5	6	0	0	13	0	0	.105	.227	.211	.438	0	0.0	0.0
1992 Cincinnati - MLB	24	6	19	2	0	0	0	1	1	6	0	1	3	0	0	.105	.308	.105	.413	0	0.0	0.0
1993 Cincinnati - MLB	25	5	19	7	0	1	1	3	3	1	1	0	2	0	1	.368	.429	.632	1.060	0	0.0	0.0
1994 Cincinnati - MLB	26	17	62	9	3	0	5	13	11	9	1	0	14	1	1	.145	.264	.435	.699	0	0.0	0.0
1995 Cincinnati - MLB	27	4	11	1	1	0	0	1	2	6	0	0	3	0	0	.091	.412	.182	.594	0	0.0	0.0
1996 Cincinnati - MLB	28	12	36	8	1	0	7	10	10	16	1	0	14	0	0	.222	.472	.833	1.305	0	0.0	0.0
1997 Cincinnati - MLB	29	3	11	3	0	0	1	1	3	4	0	0	2	0	0	.273	.467	.545	1.012	0	0.0	0.0
2000 Cincinnati - MLB	32	3	9	1	0	0	1	2	1	3	0	0	6	0	0	.111	.333	.444	.778	0	0.0	0.0
Total MLB		        62	210	37	7	1	17	34	37	51	3	1	57	1	2	.176	.343	.462	.805	117	0.0

Yes, that looks perfect to me.

Players are rated relative to their era when using the random debut feature, so that they can be properly matched against each other.

04-02-2012, 11:58 AM	#104
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	Quick question to those in the know: do the draft pools scale up or down in number of players available depending on the number of teams in the league, or in the association? And additionally, how are the ratios among positions/pitchers handled? For instance, in 1900 the draft class is miniscule by comparison with 1901, and that class is dwarfed by 1914-1915. If doing something like Lee is proposing, how do the draft classes allow for the different league terrains?

04-05-2012, 05:13 PM	#105
fauteuil7 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 354	I'm sure you can do this at the database level, but when you create a new league with this feature in-game, it would be cool to be able to set an import age range so you can only import players who were no older than 25 into the inaugural draft. Or for that matter, just change every player's age to 23. Also, if you start a league and delete older players before the inaugural draft, they will not show up in later seasons, right? So if you've got Andre Dawson at 35, you'll never see him at 24?

04-05-2012, 09:45 PM	#112
Thundercrack All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 833	So what happens with Ruth in the random db, does he stay a SP his whole career?

04-05-2012, 10:00 PM	#113
Siv Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 365	Super fabulous addition to OOTP!!!! I cannot wait to see this play out.

04-05-2012, 10:58 PM	#115
Cornelius McGillicuddy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Playing the inside game Posts: 763 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	I've always thought if Ruth had started his career in the outfield as a 20 year old in 1920 he would have hit 1000 home runs without steroids. Nobody would ever break his record. He was the greatest player of all time.

04-06-2012, 02:16 AM	#116
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,625	Just keep in mind that, since this is a new addition to the game, it may still take some time to perfect it. This feature has been tested with keen interest by the beta team, and I think many people will be thrilled with the random debuts as they're already handled. But there's nothing like a full release to truly uncover all of the strengths and weaknesses. I think we're all going to find some fun and interesting things as the feature gets used on a mass scale. I think there will be variation in what people want in their results, so it could take some further tweaking and improvements to make sure that most people are happy. But it should be fun to see how it unfolds.

04-06-2012, 06:13 AM	#117
malichai11 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 282	I'm not sure how to make this work. I have Use Random rookies from all eras checked, and automatically import historical rookies unchecked. When it came time to fill up my draft pool this time I got fictional players. Do both of those options have to be checked in order to get random rookies from all eras? I'm sort've confused.