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Old 01-27-2020, 04:01 PM   #1
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History Help

Wondering if anyone can help with some hockey history, not the NHL but local hockey leagues and teams from say around 1890 until the 1950s in Canada and the US. Ideally something like what the baseball reference site as (link below), I've looked on the hockey reference site but couldn't find anything.


https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/league.cgi
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:45 PM   #2
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The short answer is...it doesn't really exist. The closest that does is hockeydb.com but it is by no means all inclusive.

Hockey history is pretty messed up when you compare it directly to something like baseball because it was so scattershot and nothing was greatly organized. No organization even has a historian working on it, and some records may be lost for good. The NHL kept track for obvious reasons, and there's some of the NHA as well. But pre-that...leagues didn't really exist outside of major cities that had a few teams that played each other and then they challenged others for the Stanley Cup.

But for minors, it's still scattershot. When you only had 6 (to 8) teams in the league at any given time, there was a glut of players who highly skilled but really didn't play at any significant level - or rather they did play - but it was at a local level until they got an opportunity elsewhere. It made for some very high quality hockey all around though...and the NHL teams created and scouted from these leagues. I've mentioned it on our Twitch stream, but for instance Montreal had feeder teams it was helping scout/train/etc all the way from Montreal to Houston (and everywhere in-between) totaling something like 700 total teams (I don't have the book in front of me right now). Now that would include players all the way down to probably 12 to 14 year olds, but hopefully that gives you an idea of how many teams/leagues there are and maybe why its such a mess.
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Thank you very much, it gets me closer to that late 1800s to early 1900s mark I was after, previous early stuff I found was around the 1930s.
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If you don't mind paying the $35 Cdn membership, the Society for International Hockey Research (sihrhockey.org) has a members-only database that includes a lot of data on the early leagues that isn't available anywhere else online.
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Old 01-28-2020, 11:36 AM   #5
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If you don't mind paying the $35 Cdn membership, the Society for International Hockey Research (sihrhockey.org) has a members-only database that includes a lot of data on the early leagues that isn't available anywhere else online.
I'll have a think on that one although not that much in GBP, whichever way I go thank you for the heads up.
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