BABIP take into account def?

fredbeene · 07-05-2019, 11:16 AM

I assume BABIP makes up a component of stuff/move/control.

So would a rating take into account the teams def?
ie
I pitcher with .260 BABIP with crappy defense would seem like they should get a higher rating?

sansterre · 07-05-2019, 11:37 AM

Stuff is K%
Control is BB%
Movement combination of GB% and HR/FB%, or basically, HRA%.

There really is no BABIP stat.

BABIP is just a stat that indicates how often a ball put in play against that pitcher goes for a hit.

It has *nothing* to do with pitcher skill except for 1) pitcher defense (very little), 2) the pitchers groundball% (some) and 3) the pitcher's ability to generate favorable pitch counts (some).

BABIP has more to do with defense than pitcher skill, generally. It's almost a reality-check stat, like if a pitcher had a 5.18 ERA but a 347 BABIP you can reasonably infer that it was a lot of bad luck; if a pitcher has a 2.18 ERA but a 247 BABIP you can infer that he's probably worse than his ERA.

Dogberry99 · 07-05-2019, 01:05 PM

It is my understanding that the pitching profile (ie groundball vs extreme flyball vs everything else) significantly affects a pitcher's BABIP. This appears to have a greater affect than any amount of defense does, good or bad. This will also lower certain defensive statistics such as Defensive Efficiency.

07-05-2019, 11:16 AM	#1
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,507 Blog Entries: 3	BABIP take into account def? I assume BABIP makes up a component of stuff/move/control. So would a rating take into account the teams def? ie I pitcher with .260 BABIP with crappy defense would seem like they should get a higher rating?

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sansterre Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 248 Blog Entries: 2	Stuff is K% Control is BB% Movement combination of GB% and HR/FB%, or basically, HRA%. There really is no BABIP stat. BABIP is just a stat that indicates how often a ball put in play against that pitcher goes for a hit. It has nothing to do with pitcher skill except for 1) pitcher defense (very little), 2) the pitchers groundball% (some) and 3) the pitcher's ability to generate favorable pitch counts (some). BABIP has more to do with defense than pitcher skill, generally. It's almost a reality-check stat, like if a pitcher had a 5.18 ERA but a 347 BABIP you can reasonably infer that it was a lot of bad luck; if a pitcher has a 2.18 ERA but a 247 BABIP you can infer that he's probably worse than his ERA. Last edited by sansterre; 07-05-2019 at 11:38 AM.

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