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Old 03-23-2019, 07:36 PM   #41
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My initial impression is to wonder what it is that you worked on for months other than Perfect Team? It took months to add Spray Charts, openers/followers and 'lock to lineup slot'?

I bought the game this time out of personal loyalty to you guys, but unless next year has more improvements (read: any) for online, solo, historical etc. I will no longer be loyal and won't be buying the game.

It's not bad, its just a roster update that cost full price.
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You aren't going to load up v20 and say "wow, look at all these shiny new toys" other than player animations. You will have to play the game to see most of the improvements. For years many have said don't add bells and whistles just fix AI holes, roster management, etc. and the masses will beat a path to your door. It looks like they've tried that and are met with "I'm disappointed with the feature list". Go figure.
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:39 PM   #42
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enough said...
Just because I don't share your opinion, it doesn't make mine wrong. Stow the sanctimony. I've played OOTP since the first offering.
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:55 PM   #43
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Just because I don't share your opinion, it doesn't make mine wrong. Stow the sanctimony. I've played OOTP since the first offering.
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My initial impression is to wonder what it is that you worked on for months other than Perfect Team? It took months to add Spray Charts, openers/followers and 'lock to lineup slot'?

I bought the game this time out of personal loyalty to you guys, but unless next year has more improvements (read: any) for online, solo, historical etc. I will no longer be loyal and won't be buying the game.

It's not bad, its just a roster update that cost full price.
I take it back, you're right those are the only three things added to the game
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:02 PM   #44
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I too think this will be the last year I purchase OOTP baseball, it just seems to me that they have accomplished all they can do with the game. I like a few others think the OOTP team spent most of their energy on Perfect Team the past year, which I can understand as it is designed to bring in more cash, but unless there are a few changes with it I have no interest in being a participant.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:05 PM   #45
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I think I am nearing 20 hours in so far... and have only advanced 1 day. That expansion draft really did me in.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:13 PM   #46
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I appreciate the opinions of the not-fan-bots that have posted here.

OOTP: you want to play in the bigs? Take the hits. That's my advice. Fan-bots will spoil ya, the John Henry's notwithstanding....

Look- I know a few thing about software. So, this is a very marginal, extremely marginal field - text-driven baseball sims. I get it. And you really utilize the freeware available (hence the decision to pursue, of all things, 3D graphics for a text-based sim.... *smh* :-) ).

Whokay. Were this the late 80s then adding a 3D engine to a text-driven sim might seem cool. It isnt though. So now if feels like silly. Have you seen your competitors in graphics?

Look, from a gamer's experience in an extremely niche field, you may feel like superheros. I understand that. But look at it from a simple software perspective. And by the way: if John Henry's financial software or online racing sim software ran like this you'd never hear of him.

And that is my point. There are things here that are fundamentally busted. And I feel like I am talking about a friends "special needs" brother who seems to put out the effort on the job site but... just isn't getting it.

In short, I agree with a post above: I think you've taken this series as far as you can. I'll add to that and suggest you aren't actually programmers. Maybe that's what Henry was alluding to. That you were able to make this without programming backgrounds. You are pouring more time into configuring freeware software than doing something about the game basics. To me, that is a major clue. 3D graphics is freeware. Fixing how stats windows are sorted and those types of bugs and issues is 101 programming.

Re "special needs" comment - take it for what it's worth. Were I to load this sw up for spreadsheets or db etc I would howl fraud. Not trying to be mean. But there are so many things busted and bent.

And I say this without having purchased 20. I did buy 19 though. And after a few weeks or so I gave it up.

No doubt though, you are the best of class. I don't doubt that. I only write this due to the money spent so far. But more than that, the many hours spent, trying to get something to work that was, and remains (I'll bet) broken out of the box.

Best of luck.

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Old 03-23-2019, 10:33 PM   #47
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I appreciate the opinions of the not-fan-bots that have posted here.

OOTP: you want to play in the bigs? Take the hits. That's my advice. Fan-bots will spoil ya, the John Henry's notwithstanding....

Look- I know a few thing about software. So, this is a very marginal, extremely marginal field - text-driven baseball sims. I get it. And you really utilize the freeware available (hence the decision to pursue, of all things, 3D graphics for a text-based sim.... *smh* :-) ).

Whokay. Were this the late 80s then adding a 3D engine to a text-driven sim might seem cool. It isnt though. So now if feels like silly. Have you seen your competitors in graphics?

Look, from a gamer's experience in an extremely niche field, you may feel like superheros. I understand that. But look at it from a simple software perspective. And by the way: if John Henry's financial software or online racing sim software ran like this you'd never hear of him.

And that is my point. There are things here that are fundamentally busted. And I feel like I am talking about a friends "special needs" brother who seems to put out the effort on the job site but... just isn't getting it.

In short, I agree with a post above: I think you've taken this series as far as you can. I'll add to that and suggest you aren't actually programmers. Maybe that's what Henry was alluding to. That you were able to make this without programming backgrounds. You are pouring more time into configuring freeware software than doing something about the game basics. To me, that is a major clue. 3D graphics is freeware. Fixing how stats windows are sorted and those types of bugs and issues is 101 programming.

Re "special needs" comment - take it for what it's worth. Were I to load this sw up for spreadsheets or db etc I would howl fraud. Not trying to be mean. But there are so many things busted and bent.

And I say this without having purchased 20. I did buy 19 though. And after a few weeks or so I gave it up.

No doubt though, you are the best of class. I don't doubt that. I only write this due to the money spent so far. But more than that, the many hours spent, trying to get something to work that was, and remains (I'll bet) broken out of the box.

Best of luck.
Most of the MLB sim competition, which I won't list by name,don't even have any form of animation in their baseball games. OOTP is way ahead of it's direct competition in the animation/graphics category, so I'm not sure where you got the notion they are behind their competition in graphics.

And if you are referring to Football Manger, that isn't exactly a competitor to OOTP since it's a soccer game.

This is no slight to the other MLB simulation games, but OOTP is in a league of it's own IMO.

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Old 03-23-2019, 10:35 PM   #48
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I appreciate the opinions of the not-fan-bots that have posted here.

OOTP: you want to play in the bigs? Take the hits. That's my advice. Fan-bots will spoil ya, the John Henry's notwithstanding....

Look- I know a few thing about software. So, this is a very marginal, extremely marginal field - text-driven baseball sims. I get it. And you really utilize the freeware available (hence the decision to pursue, of all things, 3D graphics for a text-based sim.... *smh* :-) ).

Whokay. Were this the late 80s then adding a 3D engine to a text-driven sim might seem cool. It isnt though. So now if feels like silly. Have you seen your competitors in graphics?

Look, from a gamer's experience in an extremely niche field, you may feel like superheros. I understand that. But look at it from a simple software perspective. And by the way: if John Henry's financial software or online racing sim software ran like this you'd never hear of him.

And that is my point. There are things here that are fundamentally busted. And I feel like I am talking about a friends "special needs" brother who seems to put out the effort on the job site but... just isn't getting it.

In short, I agree with a post above: I think you've taken this series as far as you can. I'll add to that and suggest you aren't actually programmers. Maybe that's what Henry was alluding to. That you were able to make this without programming backgrounds. You are pouring more time into configuring freeware software than doing something about the game basics. To me, that is a major clue. 3D graphics is freeware. Fixing how stats windows are sorted and those types of bugs and issues is 101 programming.

Re "special needs" comment - take it for what it's worth. Were I to load this sw up for spreadsheets or db etc I would howl fraud. Not trying to be mean. But there are so many things busted and bent.

And I say this without having purchased 20. I did buy 19 though. And after a few weeks or so I gave it up.

No doubt though, you are the best of class. I don't doubt that. I only write this due to the money spent so far. But more than that, the many hours spent, trying to get something to work that was, and remains (I'll bet) broken out of the box.

Best of luck.
You’re using a derogatory ‘special needs person’ analogy to describe your discontent for this game? Wow.

Also if you feel this way towards OOTP, why are you even on these forums? Just to simply be a troll. I don’t get it. I could see if you were trying to make the game better for future releases or like be aspects of it and it leaves you disappointed. But just to come on here and toss insults around to people that work their arse off on the game every year just doesn’t make any sense.

I’m not one to respond to trolls often on forums, as they are everywhere and easy to ignore. But you sir are indeed a special breed.

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Old 03-23-2019, 10:40 PM   #49
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Bought this game on steam and looking to be able to download logos, but nothing is on the workshop and the traditional add on central isnt there. Anyway I can download files or add servers like I could in 18?


Otherwise, great game. Seems to be worth the two-year upgrade, could I get an update on this though?
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Old 03-24-2019, 10:01 AM   #50
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Can anyone tell us if the diving catches in the oufield have been toned down or fixed? Was seeing too many of them in OOTP 19.

Thanks!
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Old 03-24-2019, 01:24 PM   #51
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Never touched Perfect team until yesterday, immediately hooked, already spent $80 in points. Mission accomplished guys!
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Old 03-24-2019, 02:07 PM   #52
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My initial impression is to wonder what it is that you worked on for months other than Perfect Team? It took months to add Spray Charts, openers/followers and 'lock to lineup slot'?

I bought the game this time out of personal loyalty to you guys, but unless next year has more improvements (read: any) for online, solo, historical etc. I will no longer be loyal and won't be buying the game.

It's not bad, its just a roster update that cost full price.
Yep. This is why the refused to announce the new feature list until the game came out.

OOTP is a fine game, a great game even.
BUT it has now reached Electronic Arts the level of "just slap some new rosters on it and call it a day."
There is a handful of people that can see through the loyalty and call it what it is, but that number will grow in the coming years.
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Old 03-24-2019, 03:33 PM   #53
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I have to agree with the poster who said the game has been developed as far as it can go as a sim. The interface is beautiful and all the different modes of play are great. I think OOTP's time would now be better spent on developing an American football sim like the FOF9 they hope to sell.
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Old 03-24-2019, 04:05 PM   #54
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Yep. This is why the refused to announce the new feature list until the game came out.

OOTP is a fine game, a great game even.
BUT it has now reached Electronic Arts the level of "just slap some new rosters on it and call it a day."
There is a handful of people that can see through the loyalty and call it what it is, but that number will grow in the coming years.
I think next year's game will be the turning point for the entire franchise. I think there are enough somewhat disgruntled fans this time for OOTPd to take notice (most every Reddit thread (and the comments within posts) is negative/neutral), but if there aren't improvements in other things other than PT for next year's game, it will be the beginning of the end, IMO. A certain percentage is going to stop purchasing out of loyalty.

I also knew that the lack of hype/feature announcements/buzz, whatever you want to call it to be a bad sign.
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Old 03-24-2019, 05:02 PM   #55
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OK, one full season completed:

The Good: The games are beautiful to watch. The animations are sharp and I didn't see any of the occasional glitches or weird plays you might see from time to time in 19. No lagging. butter smooth. nice work there. AI roster management seems to be improved. I did still see some in game moves that made no sense but for the most part it is better than 19. Bugs. I only found one and it was minor and already being fixed. Pitching to contact seems to be working as it should now. In '19 you were taking your life in your hands when you called that. Now a GB pitcher throwing to a GB hitter produced a GB most of the time. Spray charts... nuff said

The Bad: I was still bombarded with seriously annoying and utterly terrible trade offers. Some really bad trades still happened. Definitely work to be done there. Free agents are still signing deals with indy leagues for contracts the indy leagues can't afford. Still no history for ***, LMB, and maybe Dominican and Puerto Rican leages. I really want that. The rest of the bad really comes down to this: for a new OOTP version this is pretty light fare. We didn't get all that much compared to years past. But having bought and played every version since 8 there have been versions that moved the needle a little and some that moved it a lot. Even the former are fun to play.

The Indifferent: Having said that last part, OOTP does have some toys to offer the casual player that takes over their favorite team and plays this season in the standard MLB mode. The live updates and other tools will be appreciated by them. But, like many folks who frequent this board, the die-hard players, I don't play that way. I prefer fictional and historical. And while there is good stuff, it's a lot less. That might frustrate some players into skipping 20. And I would not hold that against them. The slogan used to be "It's your game play it your way". The problem there is there are so many ways to play OOTP it's likely impossible to make a new version that gives something for everyone.

Edit: To sum it up I'm pleased with it. It's not everything I wanted... not even most of what I wanted.. but it's still really good and still worth the time and money you will invest in it. And as with pretty much every version ever more content will likely be added in the coming months. So the book isn't even closed on everything new in OOTPXX

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Old 03-24-2019, 05:52 PM   #56
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Have owned every OOTP ever----and I don't want to disparage you but what you say is NOT true. Everything suggested has already been done----the game does not load the pictures, the pictures are sometimes there sometimes not, the pictures on some players show up everywhere except when you open the player card and all you get is a team logo. Additionally suddenly a picture is magically replaced (was there before) by a facegen ! This has been happening with every iteration since facegen was introduced to the game. Go back and check previous and every year somewhere you will find a thread about and most of them are not mine.
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Have owned every OOTP ever----and I don't want to disparage you but what you say is NOT true. Everything suggested has already been done----the game does not load the pictures, the pictures are sometimes there sometimes not, the pictures on some players show up everywhere except when you open the player card and all you get is a team logo. Additionally suddenly a picture is magically replaced (was there before) by a facegen ! This has been happening with every iteration since facegen was introduced to the game. Go back and check previous and every year somewhere you will find a thread about and most of them are not mine.
I played one season in the MLB standard game and that did not happen to me. At least not that I noticed. Now that said tonight I'm creating a new fictional game so they will be all facegens from here on out for me.

I used to complain here frequently about a similar issue with logo and uniform progression. In short... they didn't. The year would change but the logos and uniforms would not even if the file names were built correctly. That might still be going on... not sure yet. It's been happening since 16 I think. But I figured out a work around that solves it enough for me. I know there have been other weird glitches with facegens and logos. To tell you the truth I think they are hard to duplicate which is why they still happen.
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I too think this will be the last year I purchase OOTP baseball, it just seems to me that they have accomplished all they can do with the game. I like a few others think the OOTP team spent most of their energy on Perfect Team the past year, which I can understand as it is designed to bring in more cash, but unless there are a few changes with it I have no interest in being a participant.
Have to disagree. If they had accomplished everything then the game would be perfect and there would be no complaints or people asking for new features in the game.
Maybe they are spending a lot of time on PT but new things come and go with the game. Some things stay and some things don't but i can understand trying new things. If it brings in more money then hopefully they can hire more people and make more games. I wonder if if PT should be a separate game.
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I've noticed no changes from V19 to V20 in my fictional league - but that's okay by me - I just love this game so much. I converted mid season and proceeded to win 16 games in a row - something i have never done in my fictional league's 50 year history.

I would simply like to see some more small touches that enhance immersion - like a YEARLY leaders history tab - so i can see the evolution of the home run leader throughout my league's history - (similar to the tab that shows mvp/rookie of year/cy etc. Like this - https://www.baseball-reference.com/l..._leagues.shtml

It would be nice to see which player or players have the most rings, most MVPs, most CY Youngs - without having to manually search player by player.

In the career leaders leaderboard - BOLD or highlight in a different color - those players that played for your team.
I will buy this game forever, but it baffles me how something so simple has never been added. The record keeping and history needs some work
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It would be nice to see which player or players have the most rings, most MVPs, most CY Youngs - without having to manually search player by player.
Not sure about rings but you can see how many mvps and cy youngs from the awards section. You may have to add up when a player played for 2 different leagues here and there such as the case with Pedro Martinez.
But like in my league Mickey Mantle won the mvp 10 times. i can see that from the awards section without having to go to Mantle's history.
But it would still be nice to have a list so you could see who won the mvp the 4th or 5th most times.
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