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If you defend or endorse steroid users you are defending people who are criminals - despite the smoke, their use was illegal by 1998 under federal law - who were also liars (see the Congressional hearings), deceivers, cheats, and most of all frauds.
I can't see anyone with both a conscience and a sense of decency and fair play ever being able to support that package. “The guys who have cheated have created an uneven playing field, and I don’t have any sympathy for them." - Brooks Robinson "“Fans aren’t stupid. Fans know that Hank Aaron is the all-time leading home run hitter." - Bert Blyleven
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If you don't consider this cheating (I am not talking about you, because it sounds like you WOULD), then you have to determine a player's intent, which is very hard to do. ````````````` A side point I mentioned earlier, but was lost in the moon, was that I find it incredibly odd that when a player got caught straight up, blatantly cheating... like doctoring balls or bats, it was considered an interesting story and gave the player character. Yet on this topic, out comes the pitchforks. I really think it is because of the anti-drug propaganda that Americans have been fed on a regular basis... but that is just my opinion of course. The funny thing is that there is no real reason for steroids to be illegal, any more than there is any real reason for marijuana to be illegal. BUT, there IS a real reason for MLB (and other organized sports) to ban them. I am all for that. Speaking of 'legal' things that give an unfair competitive advantage... what Bonds was REALLY doing that should have been banned is coming to the plate wearing damn-near full body armour. That stuff needs to be regulated a little more. |
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Ok, I've had enough of this! Why couldn't there be a knock down-drag out fight on my interview thread? Jealous of Bluenoser!
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The issue here is cheating. There is a huge difference between taking steroids to recover from an injury because a physician recommended it and taking steroids to give you superpowers on the field. I can understand giving leniency to those for the former because they are using it to heal themselves (this is can also be a legal reason to obtain a steroid prescription) and probably shouldn't be considered cheating, but not to those in the latter as they are intentionally using it to cheat (an illegal use of steroids). The question remains should they be allowed in the HOF, and I still support the position that the HOF requires some sort of character and integrity coupled with performance. Its the tainted character and integrity of these individuals that I have a problem with, whose performance numbers are no doubt influenced by their decision. I highly doubt that anyone made it to the HOF solely because of a corked bat, the same cannot be said about steroid abuse. |
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The belief that "everybody used" is simply insane. There are players with too much integrity to ever use them. Integrity in baseball, as in all human endeavors, runs on a bell curve, and for every juicer, lawyer, politician or Pete Rose or Barry Bonds on the low end there is a corresponding decent person on the high end.
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Troll much under a 9-post alias?
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i joined like a year ago i just don't post much. i don't know who you think is trolling you, probably someone earlier in the post but i promise you this is not the case. i just want to know if you have a problem with Hank Aaron being in the HOF. or Willie Mays.
if there is a way to prove i am not another poster posting under this account please let me know what i need to do. I've had this login in literally every forum i've ever signed up for. twitter, hotmail, everything. again just want to know if you have a problem with either one of those players in the HOF |
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