Do personality traits change?

SodoMojo · 05-05-2016, 08:08 PM

I found a post years ago that said they do not...but recently had a player who I swear was Low in INT and WE.

His INT and WE are now normal.

Am I remembering wrong or is this now a possibility?

endgame · 05-05-2016, 09:02 PM

I may be the one remembering wrong, too, but my recollection is that they have been static from the beginning. However, a fair amount of discussion took place this year in an effort to allow minor influences to affect change of a marginal nature, but doing so rarely and under only optimal conditions. So....I'd have to say yes, they can change. I do think it remains unlikely, but I'm of the opinion this was implemented.

jpeters1734 · 05-05-2016, 09:35 PM

i've never noticed it change

injury log · 05-05-2016, 10:51 PM

They definitely change, rarely dramatically though. They didn't change in OOTP15 or earlier.

jpeters1734 · 05-05-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

They definitely change, rarely dramatically though. They didn't change in OOTP15 or earlier.

that's interesting. any reason why. Perhaps a rookie learns some work ethic from a HOF vet?

MrWideFrame · 05-05-2016, 10:57 PM

It's probably completely random.

injury log · 05-06-2016, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

that's interesting. any reason why. Perhaps a rookie learns some work ethic from a HOF vet?

I'm not the person to ask, I didn't support the change and never understood the rationale.

SodoMojo · 05-07-2016, 11:31 AM

I would be curious to know what's involved in a player changing personality traits...are they influenced by other players with certain traits? Is it just random because people change?

jpeters1734 · 05-07-2016, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SodoMojo

I would be curious to know what's involved in a player changing personality traits...are they influenced by other players with certain traits? Is it just random because people change?

I am convinced people don't change

Hammercraft · 05-07-2016, 11:47 AM

They change, I've seen it. I would guess it's because of this:

kq76 · 05-07-2016, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I am convinced people don't change

You're serious, aren't you? I guess certain people are just born leaders or born greedy or born lazy then.

I totally think people change, usually not fast and usually not by much, but I'm sure they do. I always thought it was silly that what an 18 year old was drafted at would be what he would be personality-wise all the way to 36.

PSUColonel · 05-07-2016, 12:35 PM

Despite being pretty rigid, I know I've changed. It just happens. Age, wisdom, experiences, environment and adaptability all play a role. It has been said the definition of insanity is to continue doing the same things over and over again, while expecting a different result. If that's not a recepie for change, I don't know what it!

PSUColonel · 05-07-2016, 12:36 PM

In other words, I believe past successes and failures often go into the willingness for change, sometimes not though...it depends on the individual.

discodude5 · 05-07-2016, 05:31 PM

I'd like to see a few of these happen.
A younger guy might have high greed and low desire for win but 10 years in with no championships he's now normal greed and high desire for win.
A player with low leadership but has won a couple championships knowing what it takes to win now has high leadership.
Not every player, but a few like this where their time in the game changes how they approach it like real life.

Matt Uk · 05-08-2016, 05:37 AM

Of course people can change, particularly things like work ethic and loyalty in a team situation. We are all influenced by other people to some extent in that situation. Likewise if there's a team of slackers and one guy with high work ethic he'd likely slip into their way of thinking over time, thinking why am I working my butt off while nobody else is. Sure not all would change but a fair percentage would I think.

Being at a team a while or being in a successful or enjoyable situation would increase your loyalty to that team or group of players.

Greed, I don't know, I guess some people are just self centred and only care about themselves but I'm sure some must change.

I think it's a good thing that some of these player traits are able to change over time. After all, the saying you hated hearing at 18 when people would say, I wish I knew then what I know now, annoyingly turns out to be true

spitfire · 05-08-2016, 06:43 AM

I would REALLY like to get some kind of official word on what factors affect the personality traits. If it's random as has been suggested then there's obviously nothing you can do about it. But it would be far more intriguing if young players (or even not so young!) were positively affected by having good character guys to learn from. Conversely, you might have some interesting choices to make if a player with poor traits could negatively affect those of the players around him to some degree. Presumably younger players would be more prone to the influence of others, but I could see even veterans picking up good or not so good habits from players around them. How does this actually work in the game?

05-05-2016, 08:08 PM	#1
SodoMojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 136	Do personality traits change? I found a post years ago that said they do not...but recently had a player who I swear was Low in INT and WE. His INT and WE are now normal. Am I remembering wrong or is this now a possibility?

05-05-2016, 09:02 PM	#2
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	I may be the one remembering wrong, too, but my recollection is that they have been static from the beginning. However, a fair amount of discussion took place this year in an effort to allow minor influences to affect change of a marginal nature, but doing so rarely and under only optimal conditions. So....I'd have to say yes, they can change. I do think it remains unlikely, but I'm of the opinion this was implemented. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

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jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 5,617	i've never noticed it change __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

05-05-2016, 10:51 PM	#4
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	They definitely change, rarely dramatically though. They didn't change in OOTP15 or earlier.

05-05-2016, 10:57 PM	#6
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224	It's probably completely random.

05-07-2016, 11:31 AM	#8
SodoMojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 136	I would be curious to know what's involved in a player changing personality traits...are they influenced by other players with certain traits? Is it just random because people change?

05-07-2016, 11:47 AM	#10
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 729	They change, I've seen it. I would guess it's because of this:

05-07-2016, 12:35 PM	#12
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	Despite being pretty rigid, I know I've changed. It just happens. Age, wisdom, experiences, environment and adaptability all play a role. It has been said the definition of insanity is to continue doing the same things over and over again, while expecting a different result. If that's not a recepie for change, I don't know what it!

05-07-2016, 12:36 PM	#13
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	In other words, I believe past successes and failures often go into the willingness for change, sometimes not though...it depends on the individual.

05-07-2016, 05:31 PM	#14
discodude5 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 363	I'd like to see a few of these happen. A younger guy might have high greed and low desire for win but 10 years in with no championships he's now normal greed and high desire for win. A player with low leadership but has won a couple championships knowing what it takes to win now has high leadership. Not every player, but a few like this where their time in the game changes how they approach it like real life.

05-08-2016, 05:37 AM	#15
Matt Uk Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 450	Of course people can change, particularly things like work ethic and loyalty in a team situation. We are all influenced by other people to some extent in that situation. Likewise if there's a team of slackers and one guy with high work ethic he'd likely slip into their way of thinking over time, thinking why am I working my butt off while nobody else is. Sure not all would change but a fair percentage would I think. Being at a team a while or being in a successful or enjoyable situation would increase your loyalty to that team or group of players. Greed, I don't know, I guess some people are just self centred and only care about themselves but I'm sure some must change. I think it's a good thing that some of these player traits are able to change over time. After all, the saying you hated hearing at 18 when people would say, I wish I knew then what I know now, annoyingly turns out to be true

05-08-2016, 06:43 AM	#16
spitfire All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 543	I would REALLY like to get some kind of official word on what factors affect the personality traits. If it's random as has been suggested then there's obviously nothing you can do about it. But it would be far more intriguing if young players (or even not so young!) were positively affected by having good character guys to learn from. Conversely, you might have some interesting choices to make if a player with poor traits could negatively affect those of the players around him to some degree. Presumably younger players would be more prone to the influence of others, but I could see even veterans picking up good or not so good habits from players around them. How does this actually work in the game?