To DH, or not to DH?

Markus Heinsohn · 10-03-2018, 04:17 AM

Update: It is decided, DH in both leagues.

So, here's a question... how do you guys want us to handle the DH? Leagues in Perfect Team will be set up in MLB format (2 sub-leagues, 3 divisions each, 5 teams each) but with a balanced schedule that also has interleague play.

Now, do we want a DH in both leagues, in none, or like real life in one league and not the other (meaning it's random if you have a DH, depending on the sub-league you get seeded in for each season)?

Westheim · 10-03-2018, 06:49 AM

The DH is misguided, morally wrong, and makes the ice caps melt - thus: no DH, never, ever!

ThePretender · 10-03-2018, 07:55 AM

I would have liked to be able to vote for multiple options, as I like to have real life rules (what I chose) OR both leagues having a DH as an option.

Personally, I think it'd be best if before you join a league, you can choose one of those 3 options and get in a league based on your preference.

Orcin · 10-03-2018, 08:57 AM

It doesn’t make sense to force players to control lineups for both methods in every league. Therefore, it should be all or none. In a simulation like this, there is no value to having pitchers hit so that the AI can have more fun deploying strategies. We aren’t even watching the games. Therefore, it should be all DH.

mitchkenn · 10-03-2018, 10:10 AM

i feel there should be no DH, but what the majority of people who will actually use this feature should be the ones to decide. From what i've seen and read, i'm not likely to be one to use this. So, whatever the poll says - is how it should proceed in my mind.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 10-03-2018, 10:22 AM

No DH, under any circumstances whatsoever. Something that should never have been adopted in the real world for ANY leagues, in my view. And something I'll always turn off whenever and wherever I can with OOTP, for sure, if I can remember to do so, of course. CD out.

Markus Heinsohn · 10-03-2018, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

We aren’t even watching the games.

You can watch the full 3D replay or a highlight reel of the simulated games

Maddox · 10-03-2018, 11:13 AM

I think it should be both or none and have no great preference of which one, but since the poll is set up the way it is and I am a fan of a NL team then I voted none.

The_Offspring187 · 10-03-2018, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePretender

I would have liked to be able to vote for multiple options, as I like to have real life rules (what I chose) OR both leagues having a DH as an option.

Personally, I think it'd be best if before you join a league, you can choose one of those 3 options and get in a league based on your preference.

This makes sense. Like how in fantasy baseball signups you can choose Head to Head, Rotisserie etc. DH and maybe a few other options should be able to be checked when a person is joining Perfect Team that would seed them toward their preferred style of play.

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drewandpedey · 10-03-2018, 11:57 AM

It should either be real life rules, or no DH at all. I have a very very strong preference towards real life rules.

ThePretender · 10-03-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Offspring187

This makes sense. Like how in fantasy baseball signups you can choose Head to Head, Rotisserie etc. DH and maybe a few other options should be able to be checked when a person is joining Perfect Team that would seed them toward their preferred style of play.

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Exactly. I strongly disagree with the posters here who dislike the DH, but at the same time why would I want to ruin their play/league by telling them that playing without the DH is silly? If they want to play without the DH, let them do that in their own league, but I don't like playing like that so I could join a league with a DH.

STLRS95 · 10-03-2018, 03:14 PM

In real life I can't stand the DH. This is a card/simulation game however, so both leagues should have the DH.

s1c1l1anm0bst3r · 10-03-2018, 05:44 PM

I'm a huge fan of keeping real life rules in regards to the DH in general, however when you play modes similarly styled to this, such as MLB The Show's Diamond Dynasty, you for sure want the DH. It really gives you a good chance and reason to use more players and have a bit more fun with it.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 10-03-2018, 05:59 PM

No three-division setups per league by default, please, and also please do not have an odd number of teams per league or interleague regular-season play either by default. Thank you. CD out.

kq76 · 10-03-2018, 07:57 PM

Part of me thinks it should be real life rules as PT seems to be trying to emulate current MLB, but it could really hurt someone if their team played interleague games and they didn't set up their lineups accordingly.

I'd of course prefer some hybrid alternative DH rule (see my sig), but, as I'm sure that's not a feasible option, I'd say all DH or no DH. Just not split.

scott1964 · 10-03-2018, 09:02 PM

No DH, not enough strategy.

Westheim · 10-04-2018, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Part of me thinks it should be real life rules as PT seems to be trying to emulate current MLB, but it could really hurt someone if their team played interleague games and they didn't set up their lineups accordingly.

But isn't that the player's problem?

People should pay attention to what they are doing, not being babied every step of the way...

Maddox · 10-04-2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by scott1964

No DH, not enough strategy.

True enough in real life, but since we won't be making in game decisions ourselves we are relying on the AI to handle the strategy, which I assume will be handled by our settings on the Strategy Screen.

rasnell · 10-04-2018, 03:19 PM

I used to be a purist. But there is no joy in watching a pitcher bat, especially when these cards allow us to load up on the best talent possible. Yes to DH.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 10-04-2018, 04:07 PM

I happen to think if pitchers batted, then there might be better policing of certain things on the field than there might be now. I also think pitch counts are largely dumb, and that they might be part of the reason so many pitchers get hurt more frequently as they used to on average, if I'm not too mistaken about that here. Simply because they often may not get as much work as they used to, et cetera, even twenty or more years ago, at least.

In my view, four-man rotations are usually the best to have, at most. Plus a bullpen of about 4 or so good relievers, and then a deep bench of position players, depending on roster size limits, more or less. Five or more starters and more than five or six relievers, and pitchers may often not get enough work to either keep them healthier or happier, I think, most times, at least. But then again, people are afraid their people will get hurt, mainly due to monetary concerns often, perhaps, I'm sure.

I understand where they may be coming from here, but nobody, even in non-athletic pursuits of any kind, can ever get better at what they do without having to work more often than not at it, of course. So I vote no DH, no interleague play outside of the All-Star Break, the postseason, or special tournaments, and absolutely no odd number of teams and/or divisions in any league by default, for sure.

That's all I want to say here for this post, at least, I think. CD out.

View Poll Results: Should Perfect Team leagues have a DH rule?
Both sub-leagues with a DH	27	46.55%
No DH at all	14	24.14%
Real life rules	17	29.31%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

10-03-2018, 04:17 AM	#1
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,739	To DH, or not to DH? Update: It is decided, DH in both leagues. So, here's a question... how do you guys want us to handle the DH? Leagues in Perfect Team will be set up in MLB format (2 sub-leagues, 3 divisions each, 5 teams each) but with a balanced schedule that also has interleague play. Now, do we want a DH in both leagues, in none, or like real life in one league and not the other (meaning it's random if you have a DH, depending on the sub-league you get seeded in for each season)? __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android Last edited by Markus Heinsohn; 10-05-2018 at 03:58 PM.

10-03-2018, 06:49 AM	#2
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10-03-2018, 10:10 AM	#5
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,853	i feel there should be no DH, but what the majority of people who will actually use this feature should be the ones to decide. From what i've seen and read, i'm not likely to be one to use this. So, whatever the poll says - is how it should proceed in my mind. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

10-03-2018, 03:14 PM	#12
STLRS95 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: North Carolina Posts: 673 Blog Entries: 1	In real life I can't stand the DH. This is a card/simulation game however, so both leagues should have the DH. __________________ *The WIBL is coming in 2024.*

10-03-2018, 07:55 AM	#3
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,303	I would have liked to be able to vote for multiple options, as I like to have real life rules (what I chose) OR both leagues having a DH as an option. Personally, I think it'd be best if before you join a league, you can choose one of those 3 options and get in a league based on your preference.

10-03-2018, 08:57 AM	#4
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	It doesn’t make sense to force players to control lineups for both methods in every league. Therefore, it should be all or none. In a simulation like this, there is no value to having pitchers hit so that the AI can have more fun deploying strategies. We aren’t even watching the games. Therefore, it should be all DH.

10-03-2018, 10:22 AM	#6
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 6,896	No DH, under any circumstances whatsoever. Something that should never have been adopted in the real world for ANY leagues, in my view. And something I'll always turn off whenever and wherever I can with OOTP, for sure, if I can remember to do so, of course. CD out.

10-03-2018, 11:13 AM	#8
Maddox All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 903	I think it should be both or none and have no great preference of which one, but since the poll is set up the way it is and I am a fan of a NL team then I voted none.

10-03-2018, 11:57 AM	#10
drewandpedey Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2018 Location: Boston Posts: 158 Blog Entries: 1	It should either be real life rules, or no DH at all. I have a very very strong preference towards real life rules.

10-03-2018, 05:44 PM	#13
s1c1l1anm0bst3r Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 62	I'm a huge fan of keeping real life rules in regards to the DH in general, however when you play modes similarly styled to this, such as MLB The Show's Diamond Dynasty, you for sure want the DH. It really gives you a good chance and reason to use more players and have a bit more fun with it.

10-03-2018, 05:59 PM	#14
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 6,896	No three-division setups per league by default, please, and also please do not have an odd number of teams per league or interleague regular-season play either by default. Thank you. CD out. Last edited by Clovidequano Dovatha; 10-03-2018 at 06:01 PM.

10-03-2018, 07:57 PM	#15
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 10,699	Part of me thinks it should be real life rules as PT seems to be trying to emulate current MLB, but it could really hurt someone if their team played interleague games and they didn't set up their lineups accordingly. I'd of course prefer some hybrid alternative DH rule (see my sig), but, as I'm sure that's not a feasible option, I'd say all DH or no DH. Just not split. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

10-03-2018, 09:02 PM	#16
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	No DH, not enough strategy. __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

10-04-2018, 03:19 PM	#19
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,739	I used to be a purist. But there is no joy in watching a pitcher bat, especially when these cards allow us to load up on the best talent possible. Yes to DH. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

10-04-2018, 04:07 PM	#20
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 6,896	I happen to think if pitchers batted, then there might be better policing of certain things on the field than there might be now. I also think pitch counts are largely dumb, and that they might be part of the reason so many pitchers get hurt more frequently as they used to on average, if I'm not too mistaken about that here. Simply because they often may not get as much work as they used to, et cetera, even twenty or more years ago, at least. In my view, four-man rotations are usually the best to have, at most. Plus a bullpen of about 4 or so good relievers, and then a deep bench of position players, depending on roster size limits, more or less. Five or more starters and more than five or six relievers, and pitchers may often not get enough work to either keep them healthier or happier, I think, most times, at least. But then again, people are afraid their people will get hurt, mainly due to monetary concerns often, perhaps, I'm sure. I understand where they may be coming from here, but nobody, even in non-athletic pursuits of any kind, can ever get better at what they do without having to work more often than not at it, of course. So I vote no DH, no interleague play outside of the All-Star Break, the postseason, or special tournaments, and absolutely no odd number of teams and/or divisions in any league by default, for sure. That's all I want to say here for this post, at least, I think. CD out.