Trading Way Too Easy

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 09:01 PM

I am noticing that when a player is listed on the trading block, it is considerably easier to trade for them, even on the most difficult setting. Specifically I am noticing how incredibly easy it is to fleece other teams for cash. This really needs to be fixed. I never tried negotiating this way before, and I discovered how dumb the AI really is. The trading system in OOTP should be revamped. I wish you had to just send offers without immediate feedback, I think it made negotiating a bit more difficult.

David Watts · 10-08-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am noticing that when a player is listed on the trading block, it is considerably easier to trade for them, even on the most difficult setting. Specifically I am noticing how incredibly easy it is to fleece other teams for cash. This really needs to be fixed. I never tried negotiating this way before, and I discovered how dumb the AI really is. The trading system in OOTP should be revamped. I wish you had to just send offers without immediate feedback, I think it made negotiating a bit more difficult.

If I remember right, Markus said he sold you a different version of the game than the rest of us. The one he sold you is considerably dumbed down.

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

If I remember right, Markus said he sold you a different version of the game than the rest of us. The one he sold you is considerably dumbed down.

um, OK...not exactly sure what you are trying to get at?

EDIT: The AI isn't always that dumb, but it seems it is when players are listed as being on the trading block.

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 09:49 PM

Here is what I mean:

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 10-08-2013, 09:53 PM

Players on the trading block are ones that that the AI desperately wants to get rid of. They usually have terrible contracts. It makes sense that it would be easy to trade for them, and that cash would be influential.

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 09:53 PM

That is with difficulty at very hard and talent evaluation at 45/25/20/10

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 09:55 PM

Colby is only making 2 million a year and is in the final year of his contract...they are willing to also give me 5 million, and the players I offered are absolute scrubs.

EDIT: De Fratus might have a little potential, but that's it.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 10-08-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Colby is only making 2 million a year and is in the final year of his contract...they are willing to also give me 5 million, and the players I offered are absolute scrubs.

I can't explain every individual case. I can just say that in my game (modern fictional league, default settings), the players I see on the trading block are usually ones that I would never want to trade for.

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 09:57 PM

Here is Lewis:

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 10:00 PM

The part that really has me concerned is why the AI would be willing to also give me $5 million in cash.

The Wolf · 10-08-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

The part that really has me concerned is why the AI would be willing to also give me $5 million in cash.

It likes you.

RchW · 10-08-2013, 10:11 PM

I just went through the trading deadline in my league and for the last two weeks of July I tried desperately to get a starter just to fill in for an injury. When that didn't work I tried to find a bat with some HR power. In each case the AI locked in to my key pitching prospects who are not quite ready yet. The AI was willing to take my best catching prospect but he has a Piazza bat and I just couldn't pull the trigger for what would have been a rental.

I think the trading AI is very good in this version.

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

It likes you.

lol You ain't kidding

PSUColonel · 10-08-2013, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

I just went through the trading deadline in my league and for the last two weeks of July I tried desperately to get a starter just to fill in for an injury. When that didn't work I tried to find a bat with some HR power. In each case the AI locket in to my key pitching prospects who are not quite ready yet. The AI was willing to take my best catching prospect but he has a Piazza bat and I just couldn't pull the trigger for what would have been a rental.

I think the trading AI is very good in this version.

Were these players on the block?

David Watts · 10-08-2013, 10:22 PM

Hasn't it been said over and over and over that the AI doesn't deal well when it comes to human GM's offering it multiple player deals? Are you seeing any AI controlled teams making the type of deal you displayed with other AI controlled teams?

MizzouRah · 10-08-2013, 10:27 PM

I don't understand that trade either.

I can see the AI wanted to get rid of a aging starter in his final year and they are in "rebuild" mode.. but that particular trade makes no sense for the AI team to me.

What does Justin De Fratus look like as far as ratings and potential.. it's obvious that's who the AI team wants.

3 for 1 deals are probably not the best idea to NOT fleece the AI.

RchW · 10-08-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Were these players on the block?

No but I've already written several posts that players on the block should be easy to trade for. That is why they are on the block. The AI seems to have no differentiation between regular players, players on the block and players on waivers. Two of these three subsets should be exceedingly easy to trade for.

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Originally Posted by RchW

My big beef with the AI is the complete evaluation vacuum that seems to exist in the various routes to a trade. Players on waivers or DFA should be easy to trade for. Players on the trading block should not be evaluated the same as your all star SS. Nothing is more annoying than to get the "you have no players" message for a player the AI has in AAA and on the trading block.

Also as indicated above the team initiating a trade should always be in an inferior position with respect to value. Currently AI offers rarely meet that requirement.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3581864

These guys below thought trading was too difficult and Markus even offered to ease up a little.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...silliness.html

Fyrestorm3 · 10-09-2013, 12:02 AM

So, which one of you wants to re-code the AI to evaluate trades the same way a human would?

Really? No takers?

PSUColonel · 10-09-2013, 12:52 AM

Obviously it's not an easy task, but why not point things like this out so that Markus is at least aware?

The Game · 10-09-2013, 01:13 AM

In my league one team had its 3 best players on the trading block. all 3 are in the final year of their deals making 1,8 mil, 350K, 350K. Also had 2 mid level SP on the block, they moved one of the SP. The team is 8 GB and seems to have given up on the season. 1.8 mil is high even for a guy hitting .343. (1985 finances) Not sure if this added anything to the pro or con side of the debate, just wanted to share.

10-08-2013, 09:01 PM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	Trading Way Too Easy I am noticing that when a player is listed on the trading block, it is considerably easier to trade for them, even on the most difficult setting. Specifically I am noticing how incredibly easy it is to fleece other teams for cash. This really needs to be fixed. I never tried negotiating this way before, and I discovered how dumb the AI really is. The trading system in OOTP should be revamped. I wish you had to just send offers without immediate feedback, I think it made negotiating a bit more difficult.

10-08-2013, 09:49 PM	#4
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	Here is what I mean: Attached Images Last edited by PSUColonel; 10-08-2013 at 09:53 PM.

10-08-2013, 09:53 PM	#5
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	Players on the trading block are ones that that the AI desperately wants to get rid of. They usually have terrible contracts. It makes sense that it would be easy to trade for them, and that cash would be influential. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

10-08-2013, 09:55 PM	#7
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	Colby is only making 2 million a year and is in the final year of his contract...they are willing to also give me 5 million, and the players I offered are absolute scrubs. EDIT: De Fratus might have a little potential, but that's it. Last edited by PSUColonel; 10-08-2013 at 09:56 PM.

10-08-2013, 09:57 PM	#9
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	Here is Lewis: Attached Images

10-08-2013, 10:00 PM	#10
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	The part that really has me concerned is why the AI would be willing to also give me $5 million in cash.

10-08-2013, 10:11 PM	#12
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The big smoke Posts: 15,628	I just went through the trading deadline in my league and for the last two weeks of July I tried desperately to get a starter just to fill in for an injury. When that didn't work I tried to find a bat with some HR power. In each case the AI locked in to my key pitching prospects who are not quite ready yet. The AI was willing to take my best catching prospect but he has a Piazza bat and I just couldn't pull the trigger for what would have been a rental. I think the trading AI is very good in this version. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit Last edited by RchW; 10-08-2013 at 10:57 PM.

10-08-2013, 10:22 PM	#15
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 8,849	Hasn't it been said over and over and over that the AI doesn't deal well when it comes to human GM's offering it multiple player deals? Are you seeing any AI controlled teams making the type of deal you displayed with other AI controlled teams?

10-08-2013, 10:27 PM	#16
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,251	I don't understand that trade either. I can see the AI wanted to get rid of a aging starter in his final year and they are in "rebuild" mode.. but that particular trade makes no sense for the AI team to me. What does Justin De Fratus look like as far as ratings and potential.. it's obvious that's who the AI team wants. 3 for 1 deals are probably not the best idea to NOT fleece the AI.

10-09-2013, 12:02 AM	#18
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	So, which one of you wants to re-code the AI to evaluate trades the same way a human would? Really? No takers?

10-09-2013, 12:52 AM	#19
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	Obviously it's not an easy task, but why not point things like this out so that Markus is at least aware?

10-09-2013, 01:13 AM	#20
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,803	In my league one team had its 3 best players on the trading block. all 3 are in the final year of their deals making 1,8 mil, 350K, 350K. Also had 2 mid level SP on the block, they moved one of the SP. The team is 8 GB and seems to have given up on the season. 1.8 mil is high even for a guy hitting .343. (1985 finances) Not sure if this added anything to the pro or con side of the debate, just wanted to share. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"