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I am currently playing a fantasy league with inaugural draft, and the AI basically refused to draft any relief pitchers in the first 10 rounds or so; there were still 76/80 relievers left by the time all SPs better than 20/80 were gone. So what I did was grab some young relievers with say 13/20 fastball, 12/20 curveball, 2/20 changeup and high stamina hoping they can eventually develop their changeup and turn into quality starters. Seems they are putting up pretty good numbers in the minors despite only 2 quality pitches, but I do wonder what will happen when I eventually call them up... |
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Where they will differ, is one will have more strikeouts, while the other more GB/FB outs. |
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The starting pitchers had their core ratings bumped from 100 to 125 (stuff/move/con), while their stamina was reduced from 150 to 100. Relievers cores reduced from 100 to 90, stamina left at 50. I ran it three times. Screenshots are wide so I'll just link to them. http://imageshack.us/a/img542/8726/testal.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img37/2153/testbj.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img600/3010/testcj.jpg |
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You'd also need a lot more than 5 RPs because they'd all get tired really quickly. The Stamina rating is not role-independent, and it means a lot less for relievers than for starters. If a guy is set as an SP, he'll be able to pitch longer outings, but he'll recover very slowly from his outings. If a guy is set to MR, he'll pitch much shorter outings (his Stamina matters, but not much), and he'll recover more quickly. Quote:
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They'll suffer a pretty bad ratings penalty if used as starters, unless they improve their changeups (or whatever their weakest pitch is). |
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Runner at third 1 out down a run, I think I want the better avoid K 50 contact guy at the plate. Runner at first 1 out down a run, I think I want the batter BABIP contact 50 player up, at least in snepp's test environment. |
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In that last test with the better starting pitchers. the high avoid K hitters fared quite a bit better than the low avoid K team did.
I don't think there's one specific reason, and given the disproportionate talent between hitters and pitchers I don't know how useful the results are, but it's certainly an interesting exercise. I haven't seen anything yet that would make me change my original opinion. I wouldn't take a higher avoid K if it meant sacrificing any gap, power, or eye. Last edited by snepp; 05-23-2013 at 05:19 AM. |
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So what this means that if your SP gets injured in the first inning, and you decide to put in the next guy in your rotation because you know you have a day off coming up, he will not perform anything like he would have had he started the game. Doubront can throw 105 pitches in relief in real life, but not in OOTP... |
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Great discussion. Right after finishing reading this, I wandered over to Baseball Prospectus and found this thread, which is great expansion of this topic:
The Ideal Groundball Rate for Hitters, Featuring the Royals | FanGraphs Baseball Are there 'ideal' GB rates for Power ratings in OOTP? That is, ones that produce the 'best' combination of non-HR hits and HRs? I don't know what 'best' should mean, other than 'the most runs.' |
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I guarantee that if any real life SP expected to start "tomorrow" and was asked with no warning to warm up from his 4th day of rest coldness he would not perform anything like expected. Starting pitchers by definition and by consensus are creatures of habit and preparation. That's why you just don't see this. Teams will burn one or two relief pitchers and make roster moves before messing with SP in between starts. Note that Doubront went 7days after this appearance before his next start.
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That said, if you were to make a list of things that can happen in real life but not in OOTP, that list would run on for a thousand pages. It's just a simulation, after all. |
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The least you could have done was to get some good logos made before you ran that test. I submit that your experminent is flawed.
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