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There's also the issue of 3 teams being tied for 2 spots (although I'm not sure how that works in RL (Ping: LGO)).
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Hurray!
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I am 99% supporting this cause.... BUT, I will not go to the extreme of not buying the game. I have bought it without fail from the first version and to me it's like I have a lifetime subscription. This is a very high priority glitch that needs to be fixed a.s.a.p. If it's not doing it right, then yes, it is a glitch. |
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I put in in as a bug for OOTP 14 beta as a reminder to Markus. I hope this gets looked at as well.
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Day 1: B at A (winner is a wild card qualifier; loser plays on Day 2) Day 2: loser of B/A at C (winner is other wild card qualifier; loser is eliminated) I am 99% sure OOTP would not handle such a tie situation correctly (or at least, not by MLB's current rules on the subject). |
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Thanks. Obviously there are all sorts of other bizarre scenarios I could come up with, but I doubt there are any real life rules for them, so we can ignore them for now lol
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Very much appreciated I finally feel like we're making some headway.
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Breaking ties without playoff games 1.The team with the best record in head to head play. 2.The team with the best overall record in intradivision games. 3.The team with the best record in the final 81 games of the season, ignoring interleague play. 4.The team with the best record in the final 82 games of the season I can't tell you how happy I am this is getting a look. My pregnant wife jumped when I said YES!!!!! really loud. Markus and the beta guys. Could you make sure to keep me updated as to the status of the work on this because it's killing me not pre-ordering!!!!!
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One thing to note that's not mentioned there is that, when it comes to seeding teams for match-up purposes in the Division Series round, that seeding only factors in the 162-game regular season record; the results of any tie-breaking games played by a club are disregarded. Quote:
Using the previously mentioned tie scenario as an example, if A and C won, the three teams' records in tie-breaking games would be: A, 1-0; C, 1-0; and B, 0-1. If A and B won, then the clubs would be: A, 1-0: B, 1-1; C, 0-1. If B and C won, it'd be: B, 1-0; C, 1-0; A, 0-1. No matter the result, one team will clearly have a worse overall record after the tie-breaking games and is therefore eliminated. The one scenario which doesn't seem to work is the one involving a three-way tie for a division tie, with those clubs being simultaneously tied for the second wild card position. In that case the standard three-way tie-breaker is played: Day 1 is B at A; Day 2 is C at A/B. The winner on Day 2 gets the division title. The loser on Day 2 is declared the second wild card qualifier. If A and C win, it's not a problem. C is 1-0, A is 1-1, and B is 0-1. Similarly, if B and C win, that's fine too: C is 1-0, B is 1-1, and A is 0-1. The clubs cannot have the same winning percentage once the tie-breaking games are added to their regular season record, so one team is clearly eliminated. There is a problem, however, if A or B wins on both days. Then the results are: A, 2-0; B, 0-1; C, 0-1; or B, 2-0; A, 0-1; and C, 0-1. Technically, since two clubs went 0-1 in the tie-breaker, that means they'd still have the same overall winning percentage. So, really, they're still tied. But the team losing on Day 2 gets the second wild card, meaning the team losing on Day 1 gets shafted. I'm not sure if this is an oversight in MLB's rules or if the rule is intentional. Given that in all the new tie scenarios brought about by the second wild card qualifier, they are all resolved by no more than two days of extra play, it would seem to indicate it is intentional. But it would make for an interesting final standing when two clubs have the same final record but only one of them goes to the post-season. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 03-12-2013 at 06:53 PM. |
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Clearly we are never going to be able to come up with a solution to every scenario (although for "x teams tied for 1 playoff place", it's pretty trivial, even up to the max number of teams OOTP allows, even if it would take a lot of play off games). Last edited by Cryomaniac; 03-12-2013 at 07:07 PM. |
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For determining the seeding order of the three division winners for the Division Series round, you need to insert one additional step: (1) The team with the better record in head-to-head play; (2) The team with the better record in games within its division; (3) The team with the better record in games within its league; (4) The team with the better record in games within its league over the last half of the season (81 games); (5) The team with the better record in games within its league over the last half of the season plus one game (82 games). If still tied, then continue to go back one intraleague game at a time until such time as the clubs are no longer tied. Note also that the results of any tie-breaking playoff games are disregarded for seeding purposes. Only results from the 162-game regular season are considered. |
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Day 1: B at A; D at C (winners advance to post-season) Day 2: loser of D/C at loser of B/A (winner advances to post-season; loser is eliminated) Three teams advance from four tied clubs. Piece of cake. It only gets a bit tricky if you want to factor in a division tie as well as a tie for wild card spots. But MLB has a procedure for it, and it's similar to the above. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 03-12-2013 at 07:24 PM. |
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(I've also just been working out "x teams for one place" and writing it in notepad, I'm up to 10) Edit: Here's the list for those, after 4 is non-official, and me making things up, but it's how I'd do it: Code:
tie breaking for one place: 2 teams: day 1: A v B 3 teams: day 1: A v B day 2: (AB) v C 4 teams: day 1: A v B; C v D day 2: (AB) v (CD) 5 teams: day 1: A v B; C v D day 2: (CD) v E day 3: (AB) v (CDE) 6 teams: day 1: A v B; C v D; day 2: (AB) v E; (CD) v F day 3: (ABE) v (CDF) 7 teams: day 1: A v B; C v D; E v F day 2: (AB) v (CD); (EF) v G day 3: (ABCD) v (EFG) 8 teams: day 1: A v B; C v D; E v F; G v H day 2: (AB) v (CD); (EF) v (GH) day 3: (ABCD) v (EFGH) 9 teams: day 1: A v B; C v D; E v F day 2: (AB) v G; (CD) v H; (EF) v I reallocate - ABG = J; CDH = K; EFI = L day 3: J v K day 4: (JK) v L 10 teams: day 1: A v B; C V D; E v F; G v H; I v J day 2: (AB) v (CD); (EF) v (GH); day 3: (ABCD) v (EFGH) day 4: (ABCDEFGH) v (IJ) Last edited by Cryomaniac; 03-12-2013 at 07:39 PM. |
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I'd say anything involving up to four-way ties should be included, particularly since MLB has rules which cover that. Five-way ties are exceedingly unlikely, and probably don't need to be included, but I did work out a process for a five-way tie for two and three playoff spots. For anything over that, a simple system, similar to that used in the minor leagues, could be put in place where non-game tie-breaking methods are used to eliminate the lowest club(s) in a tie situation, leaving only the number of tied teams for which there is a more detailed procedure set out. For example, if OOTP topped out at four-way ties, then in the case of a five-way tie, the standard non-game tie-breakers (e.g. head-to-head record, divisional record, etc.) are used to determine the bottom club of the five, and it is eliminated outright. That leaves four clubs who can then engage in the four-way tie-breaking playoff process. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 03-12-2013 at 07:45 PM. |
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Was wondering the same thing myself.
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Whoops... I posted my thought before I finished completely reading the thread, so never mind.
But I agree with everything said so far. And glad Markus is looking into seeding and home field advantage taking head-to-head record into account. Last edited by hefalumps; 03-14-2013 at 02:40 PM. |
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Have my fingers crossed we see an update about this in the next news letter.
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