Why does my prospect have no rating at shortstop?

tejdog1 · 11-28-2011, 05:26 PM

He did last year, it was in the low 40s and getting better, but now...

SandMan · 11-28-2011, 05:31 PM

That is a strange one. I have had players lose a position as they got older but never a young prospect. Looks like it is time to move him over to 3B.

tejdog1 · 11-28-2011, 05:37 PM

He originally WAS a 3b, I moved him to short and got him a rating in the low-mid 40s, and then... it magically disappeared. You can even see it in the experience editor thing I posted.

Nutlaw · 11-28-2011, 05:38 PM

His Turn Double Play rating dropped too low. It must have been borderline to begin with.

snepp · 11-28-2011, 05:40 PM

This looks like the exact same situation as another poster's player not having a rating at third base.

The turn double play is so low that it's bordering on the positional cutoffs. When a player is close to a cutoff all it takes is a tiny change in ability, or a tiny change in how the scout sees the player, for the position to appear/disappear.

Here's that other thread.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...eally-bad.html

tejdog1 · 11-28-2011, 06:00 PM

So should I just up his turn DP rating? Or hope it goes up on it's own?

Amazin69 · 11-28-2011, 06:23 PM

As long as you're setting the lineups for St. Lucie (or wherever Jim gets promoted to), you can have him play SS, and he'll get a rating during the course of the year. If his DP rating goes up, he'll keep it; if not, he'll lose it.

(Heh, maybe you should put him on a team with your ground-ball throwing prospects…get him some practice.)

If you don't mind putting him on that 40-man roster, you could take him to spring training as a shortstop; that should help him learn the "new" position more quickly.

Other than that, yeah, you'd probably have to artificially raise the DP rating, or just acknowledge your scout's opinion, and move him to 3B.

tejdog1 · 11-28-2011, 06:33 PM

Yeah, I control the entire organization.

The weird thing is, OSA's got his turn DP rating at 36 and his SS rating in the low 50s.

RchW · 11-28-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

So should I just up his turn DP rating? Or hope it goes up on it's own?

Well you could but why? Then he'll be a mediocre SS with possibly declining range. I'd let natural selection a la OOTP run its course and go find a SS.

If you edit him then go all-in and set everything to 90+.

craftdr · 11-28-2011, 06:53 PM

I also had this happen with a catching prospect that started out with a low catching ability & arm but I forced him at catcher for two years so I thought it would get better. Unfortunately the second year, he had lost any ability he had and when I checked the editor the following year he had 0 for experience as a catcher despite over 150 games played at the position. This is the only time I have seen it happen so it didn't concern me too much (and the fact, he lost all ability to hit the ball so I wasn't out much).

But hey, I've been playing this league since I purchased 12 and that's one of the few things either I couldn't explain or was already known so I'm pretty happy.

tejdog1 · 11-28-2011, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

Well you could but why? Then he'll be a mediocre SS with possibly declining range. I'd let natural selection a la OOTP run its course and go find a SS.

If you edit him then go all-in and set everything to 90+.

I guess. Why would he have declining range if I turned up his Turn DP rating to like, 40 from 30?

11-28-2011, 05:26 PM	#1
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,618	Why does my prospect have no rating at shortstop? He did last year, it was in the low 40s and getting better, but now... __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

11-28-2011, 05:37 PM	#3
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,618	He originally WAS a 3b, I moved him to short and got him a rating in the low-mid 40s, and then... it magically disappeared. You can even see it in the experience editor thing I posted. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

11-28-2011, 05:40 PM	#5
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,366	This looks like the exact same situation as another poster's player not having a rating at third base. The turn double play is so low that it's bordering on the positional cutoffs. When a player is close to a cutoff all it takes is a tiny change in ability, or a tiny change in how the scout sees the player, for the position to appear/disappear. Here's that other thread. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...eally-bad.html Last edited by snepp; 11-28-2011 at 05:45 PM.

11-28-2011, 06:00 PM	#6
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,618	So should I just up his turn DP rating? Or hope it goes up on it's own? __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

11-28-2011, 06:23 PM	#7
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,370 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	As long as you're setting the lineups for St. Lucie (or wherever Jim gets promoted to), you can have him play SS, and he'll get a rating during the course of the year. If his DP rating goes up, he'll keep it; if not, he'll lose it. (Heh, maybe you should put him on a team with your ground-ball throwing prospects…get him some practice.) If you don't mind putting him on that 40-man roster, you could take him to spring training as a shortstop; that should help him learn the "new" position more quickly. Other than that, yeah, you'd probably have to artificially raise the DP rating, or just acknowledge your scout's opinion, and move him to 3B. Last edited by Amazin69; 11-28-2011 at 06:25 PM.

11-28-2011, 05:31 PM	#2
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	That is a strange one. I have had players lose a position as they got older but never a young prospect. Looks like it is time to move him over to 3B.

11-28-2011, 05:38 PM	#4
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	His Turn Double Play rating dropped too low. It must have been borderline to begin with.

11-28-2011, 06:33 PM	#8
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,618	Yeah, I control the entire organization. The weird thing is, OSA's got his turn DP rating at 36 and his SS rating in the low 50s. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

11-28-2011, 06:53 PM	#10
craftdr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 256	I also had this happen with a catching prospect that started out with a low catching ability & arm but I forced him at catcher for two years so I thought it would get better. Unfortunately the second year, he had lost any ability he had and when I checked the editor the following year he had 0 for experience as a catcher despite over 150 games played at the position. This is the only time I have seen it happen so it didn't concern me too much (and the fact, he lost all ability to hit the ball so I wasn't out much). But hey, I've been playing this league since I purchased 12 and that's one of the few things either I couldn't explain or was already known so I'm pretty happy.