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Old 04-02-2020, 09:36 PM   #1
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Ivy League sux

Ivy will not allow senior spring athletes to graduate and maintain a year of eligibility. They will permit them to drop classes so as not to get their diplomas now and be able to play next year. Really shows they have educating young people as the priority. <sarcasm>
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"Don't tell me that the Ivies don't recruit. Some places I go they're my toughest competition."

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Old 04-03-2020, 09:26 AM   #3
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As it should be. Universities exist to get diplomas, not to play sports. The US has this completely backwards...

...is as unpopular an opinion as it probably gets on this board - maybe outside of listing "drowning kittens in a barrel" as a hobby - but I stand by it.
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Old 04-03-2020, 10:02 AM   #4
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As it should be. Universities exist to get diplomas, not to play sports. The US has this completely backwards...

...is as unpopular an opinion as it probably gets on this board - maybe outside of listing "drowning kittens in a barrel" as a hobby - but I stand by it.
I can respect the opinion. But the universities can't have it both ways. They can't have these sports and make money off of them, then say it is for educational purposes. If they want to be strictly for education, then play for sport and get rid of the rules and regulations and revenues. Provide, the field, pool, gym etc and let everyone have pick-up games w/o any oversight.

But if they are going to make students jump through hoops in order to participate, then have the decency to extend mercy & flexibility when circumstances beyond anyone's control throws everybody a curve.
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I can respect the opinion. But the universities can't have it both ways. They can't have these sports and make money off of them, then say it is for educational purposes. If they want to be strictly for education, then play for sport and get rid of the rules and regulations and revenues. Provide, the field, pool, gym etc and let everyone have pick-up games w/o any oversight.

But if they are going to make students jump through hoops in order to participate, then have the decency to extend mercy & flexibility when circumstances beyond anyone's control throws everybody a curve.
The Ivy League is about as close as that gets in the American university system. They don’t live off the revenue from their sports programs to anywhere near the extent that other schools do, and they’ve always been very clear that they’re about the ideal of the student athlete (I mean, Harvard paid players to play football in the early days of the sport but still).
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Old 04-03-2020, 10:55 AM   #6
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The Ivy League is about as close as that gets in the American university system. They don’t live off the revenue from their sports programs to anywhere near the extent that other schools do, and they’ve always been very clear that they’re about the ideal of the student athlete (I mean, Harvard paid players to play football in the early days of the sport but still).
Understood. But they aren't "pure", if you will. Either or is fine with me. If they want to be strictly an academic group then be that. They have no biz putting regulations on eligibility of athletic participants. Let them do what they want to do. But if they want to have say so in who gets to play, then show some decency in this situation. Senior year is the last time these kids in these sports are going to have that thrill of competing against top players in their skill. It is going to be some rec league from here on end that has to be fit around the rest of their daily lives. Why take this last chance away from them thru no fault of their own?

Do the right thing. These are exceptional circumstances. There is no need to be so rigid about this.
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Mostly over-reaction. The Ivies (essentially) did away with athletic scholarships in the mid-1970's as a reaction to Cornell using its NY State sponsored Ag school to bring in hockey and football players. Google it if you want more info.

Ed Marinaro and a few basketball players were the last highly recruited HSers. Remember, even the son of Yale all-time football great Calvin Hill went to Duke.

The Ivies didn't allow graduate students to play before the virus hit and this is simply business as usual. Which is why Ivy basketball players with one more season of NCAA eligibility often transfer to play that last year.

This is same-old, same-old, nothing new, nothing to see here.
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The Ivies never did away with athletic scholarships. Nor did NCAA Division III schools. They just changed the name and started calling them "need packages." Just because the Ivies no longer recruit blue chippers (for the most part) doesn't mean they don't recruit and give financial aid to athletes.
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The fact the IVY doesn't give out athletic scholarships is more damning to their position. If schools who are responsible for the costs of players attending school are willing to foot the bill, should not the Ivy do so seeing as it, theoretically, really isn't an added expense?
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The fact the IVY doesn't give out athletic scholarships is more damning to their position. If schools who are responsible for the costs of players attending school are willing to foot the bill, should not the Ivy do so seeing as it, theoretically, really isn't an added expense?
Minor, or maybe not minor, correction. The schools don't foot the bill, it is usually the other students, taxpayers, or alumni.
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Read the title and knew this was a Cobra thread.
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