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Old 02-26-2019, 12:08 PM   #1
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Will PT point balances carry over to OOTP 20

Will out balances carry over to OOTP 20?
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:13 PM   #2
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They said it wouldnt
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:15 PM   #3
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19 will still be running so of course not.
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:27 PM   #4
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Why would people choose to play one over the other? Why would people put down money for points in 20 if they put down money already in 19?
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:38 PM   #5
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Why would people choose to play one over the other? Why would people put down money for points in 20 if they put down money already in 19?
I imagine people would choose to play 20 over 19 because of new features and new cards, plus the 19 AH is going to become sparse really quickly. Why wouldn't people put down money in 20? That's a better question.
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:53 PM   #6
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I imagine people would choose to play 20 over 19 because of new features and new cards, plus the 19 AH is going to become sparse really quickly. Why wouldn't people put down money in 20? That's a better question.
I worry about after a year when the new one comes out again.
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:56 PM   #7
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I worry about after a year when the new one comes out again.
What are you worried about? Either play or don't play. Either spend money on PP or don't. It's not a life changing event.
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Old 02-26-2019, 01:58 PM   #8
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I worry about after a year when the new one comes out again.
I see where the concern comes from. I spent some real coin on 19, but it's up to me to either do that also with 20 or simply play it differently or just stay with 19....we'll see how it goes with 20 and that should set our expectations going forward about how to approach this year after year, at least those that keep up with it.
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Old 02-26-2019, 02:33 PM   #9
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I not worried about the PP I leave on 19. Now that I know more, Im excited about a fresh start from 0 using OOTP20 PT.
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Old 02-26-2019, 05:20 PM   #10
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Why would people choose to play one over the other? Why would people put down money for points in 20 if they put down money already in 19?
Seriously? In 3 weeks the leagues in 19 are going to be a ghost town, filled with ghost teams and an empty auction house. Better spend those points now
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Old 02-26-2019, 05:49 PM   #11
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I also think the AH is going to tap out in 19 quickly. It's why I spent a lot of time trying to build the team I want before the pipeline dries up.

However, I think there is going to be a splintering of players. PT didn't really pick up steam until the $5 Christmas sale. How many of those players will buy the full game for $35 - $40 upon release? And how many "whales", who populate the AH with cards to buy, will be willing to start fresh and pump all that $$ into a new, but similar, team after only a few months game cycle with 19? I predict many will stick with it a good while.. Best case scenario is the mobile app accompanying the release is a major game changer. It's why I hoped the OOTP braintrust would uncouple PT from the base game and make it cheaper since it is not a full version. 35 - 40 bucks is a good leap from 5 dollars for a lotta players.

I think it'll take until the all star break for 20 to take off at the level 19 did. But, definitely spend that PP on targeted cards sooner rather than later.
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Old 02-26-2019, 05:58 PM   #12
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I also think the AH is going to tap out in 19 quickly. It's why I spent a lot of time trying to build the team I want before the pipeline dries up.

However, I think there is going to be a splintering of players. PT didn't really pick up steam until the $5 Christmas sale. How many of those players will buy the full game for $35 - $40 upon release? And how many "whales", who populate the AH with cards to buy, will be willing to start fresh and pump all that $$ into a new, but similar, team after only a few months game cycle with 19? I predict many will stick with it a good while.. Best case scenario is the mobile app accompanying the release is a major game changer. It's why I hoped the OOTP braintrust would uncouple PT from the base game and make it cheaper since it is not a full version. 35 - 40 bucks is a good leap from 5 dollars for a lotta players.

I think it'll take until the all star break for 20 to take off at the level 19 did. But, definitely spend that PP on targeted cards sooner rather than later.
I think the whales will be the first to jump to 20. They seem to have a lot of discretionary income and its all about the action for them. Understandably. And the action will be in 20. Also the free players will move over. The guy who grudgingly spent $50 in 19 may hang on for a while. Everyone will move over by the all star break.
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:51 PM   #13
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PT needs to become a web based SIM so that buying new software every year isn't necessary. Then they can charge a smaller yearly fee to subscribe to PT leagues. I don't see myself matriculating to OOTP 20 for quite some time, if at all.
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:57 PM   #14
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PT needs to become a web based SIM so that buying new software every year isn't necessary. Then they can charge a smaller yearly fee to subscribe to PT leagues. I don't see myself matriculating to OOTP 20 for quite some time, if at all.
It would be ideal if they just added new cards from year to year and not created a whole new game. That way people will be more invested both literally and figuratively. They will feel more confident in spending their money on points knowing the game they spent money on will still be supported and popular. Now people are hesitant to spend money on points in 19 knowing that 20 is just around the corner. It will be the same for 20 as well.
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I imagine people would choose to play 20 over 19 because of new features and new cards, plus the 19 AH is going to become sparse really quickly. Why wouldn't people put down money in 20? That's a better question.
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Old 02-26-2019, 07:39 PM   #16
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I have two concerns regarding ongoing PT 1.0 play post the 20 launch.

First, the AH balance and mechanics will change, as fewer packs are opened, fewer cards are sold, and fewer bidders remain as players gradually migrate away from 19 to 20. Rare, historical cards in high demand may essentially vanish, as they remain trapped on inactive teams no longer being managed, and as fewer and fewer enter the universe through new pack purchases.

Secondly, each league will comprise of some number of active, competitive owners aggressively trying to improve their teams, combined with some number of zombie inactive teams, locked permanently into their last roster and lineups. I understand there are already a number of non-managed teams in the PT universe, but the ratio of managed to unmanaged teams will continue to go in the wrong direction with each week post 20 launch.

Does it not make sense to identify inactive teams (perhaps allowing managers to proactively shut them down), so that remaining active managers can be grouped together into leagues to maintain as much competitive balance as possible?
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I have two concerns regarding ongoing PT 1.0 play post the 20 launch.

First, the AH balance and mechanics will change, as fewer packs are opened, fewer cards are sold, and fewer bidders remain as players gradually migrate away from 19 to 20. Rare, historical cards in high demand may essentially vanish, as they remain trapped on inactive teams no longer being managed, and as fewer and fewer enter the universe through new pack purchases.

Secondly, each league will comprise of some number of active, competitive owners aggressively trying to improve their teams, combined with some number of zombie inactive teams, locked permanently into their last roster and lineups. I understand there are already a number of non-managed teams in the PT universe, but the ratio of managed to unmanaged teams will continue to go in the wrong direction with each week post 20 launch.

Does it not make sense to identify inactive teams (perhaps allowing managers to proactively shut them down), so that remaining active managers can be grouped together into leagues to maintain as much competitive balance as possible?

The zombie teams don't concern me too much. In addition, although the influx of cards will greatly slow down, it seems to me it will be a buyers market. If 19 stays up for one more year and just one more year the influx of real dollars and by extension PP will also diminish leaving anyone trying to sell any expensive card no choice but to drop the price. I mean, if you know the servers might be shutdown in several months why layout $300 for a card that's not real and is soon to go away?

Now, I have no way of knowing how it will play out but those are my thoughts.
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The zombie teams don't concern me too much. In addition, although the influx of cards will greatly slow down, it seems to me it will be a buyers market. If 19 stays up for one more year and just one more year the influx of real dollars and by extension PP will also diminish leaving anyone trying to sell any expensive card no choice but to drop the price. I mean, if you know the servers might be shutdown in several months why layout $300 for a card that's not real and is soon to go away?

Now, I have no way of knowing how it will play out but those are my thoughts.
I think in the end the prices may stay about the same or possibly go up because there will not only be a reduction in buyers but possibly a larger reduction in players available to buy. The big spenders are, I would think, the biggest contributors to the AH while at the same time not being an equal size of buyer on the AH. They are looking for those big name expensive players and probably sell more players (based on packs opened) than they buy. Free teams and even those with smaller amounts of money spent are on the other hand buying more players than selling (or at best, equally buying and selling). So if the big spenders move to 20 and leave 19 behind, the AH will become much smaller as there won't be a large infusion of players. As such, I would think with a smaller supply the prices might stay the same or even go up.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out, but I really think the time to buy is now as the number of interesting quality players could become smaller. The ones that are desired will most likely end up on a team that wants to keep them while the lesser player they replace will be the one that might end up on the AH (or be kept as well). Whether kept or going to AH, you either have a lesser player of value being sold or you don't have the player at all. Both would not be of much value to the guy who's team is already a higher (diamond/perfect) quality.
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Old 02-26-2019, 09:27 PM   #19
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We get to keep whatever cards we've collected, even after PT 1.0 is shut down, so you may get some people trying to finish off collections even while playing PT 2.0.

I'm planning on playing both for as long as possible. I've only got 1 team in this PT and will probably only have 1 team in next PT so managing both shouldn't be a problem.
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