Aging too fast?

jaguar8311 · 03-30-2018, 10:40 AM

Running MLB Quickstart. Just finished 1st season.

Could be just a small sample size, but I see guys like Donaldson and Kluber (Elite 32, 33 year old players) experiencing dramatic declining.

Anyone else experiencing this? If it's a known issue, are there plans to address it in an upcoming patch?

Thanks

Syd Thrift · 03-30-2018, 01:21 PM

I don't know that OOTPdev did anything major to aging. As with everything else, you're going to see some guys fall off a cliff relatively early and some guy having a much flatter decline phase. There's nothing plotted in the game in advance as to who's going to have these fall-offs; it's generally just a combination of injuries and random bad luck.

spleen1015 · 03-30-2018, 01:25 PM

It's not an issue. Just something that happened to those guys.

hluraven · 03-30-2018, 02:01 PM

I used to (think I) experienced this a lot and always changed the defaults to slow down aging.

In OOTP18 I left things at the defaults, and actually it worked out fine - some realistic collapses, some players staying strong into their 40s (but not too many).

Raidergoo · 03-30-2018, 09:36 PM

Felix Hernandez and Miguel Cabrera say hi.

Baseball eats the aged and infirm. Never trust anyone over thirty.

NoOne · 03-31-2018, 12:57 AM

cabrera has had a ton of injuries -- lower body and back issues = no go for swinging a bat well. a better example would be a healthy person's stats falling off a cliff.. plenty to choose from.

m cabrera has anothe 1 or 2 .500+ slugging years left in him, even if his birth certificate is fraudulent. if he keeps breaking down, that's not going to happen, either.

lots of people trail off.. lots of people hit a proverbial wall and it seems to happen all at once. then, anything in between too. default is quite accurate.

malichai11 · 03-31-2018, 01:33 AM

I also think with much stricter PED testing that we're going to see faster aging in players now.

Raidergoo · 03-31-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

cabrera has had a ton of injuries -- lower body and back issues = no go for swinging a bat well. a better example would be a healthy person's stats falling off a cliff.. plenty to choose from.

So, Cabrera is in the infirm category.

LegalEagle80 · 04-06-2018, 12:26 PM

I tend to agree. I changed my batting aging to .925 and my pitcher aging to .950. I might go down even further after testing, but yeah, it seems like anyone over the age of 32 turns into a replacement player, or worse.

wallewalls · 04-06-2018, 12:41 PM

In this game you do see current stars fall off sometimes quickly, but sometimes players are still good into their late 30s and even early 40s. In my main game in 18, Alex Bregman was still playing, and still quite good, at age 44.

It's just part of baseball

highandoutside · 04-06-2018, 12:59 PM

MLB is becoming a young person's game. For a variety of reasons, players are declining earlier and more often.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitt...-only-decline/

drhay53 · 04-06-2018, 01:07 PM

I've been playing with aging at ~0.3 for a couple of years. It works for me.

Part of it is that I hate the inverted structure of baseball, IRL too. A player plays out his prime under team control and then some team has to offer 6 years to lock him up for 1-3 productive seasons. It's silly. I could change the rules in my league, but I find it easier to just turn aging down.

LegalEagle80 · 04-06-2018, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highandoutside

MLB is becoming a young person's game. For a variety of reasons, players are declining earlier and more often.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitt...-only-decline/

Very interesting. This makes me think maybe I keep the aging as it is, and slightly increase the development so younger players get to their peaks faster. I'd like to see a peak of ~5 years, so if guys are getting into the show at 22 or so and their peak goes into their late 20s.

5-4-3 · 04-06-2018, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malichai11

I also think with much stricter PED testing that we're going to see faster aging in players now.

If you look at percent of total WAR by age over the last twenty years you can see the effects of stricter testing on older players, because there’s a hard shift in percent war contributed towards the younger players. The old guys must have been juicing like mad.

Reed · 04-06-2018, 01:51 PM

I just looked at the Baltimore and Boston 40 man rosters (80 total) and there was a total of ZERO players over age 35, only one aged 35.

Reed · 04-06-2018, 02:38 PM

I just checked the 40 man rosters for all 30 teams and there is a total of 21 players over age 35, 3 of them in their 40s with Ichiro being the oldest.

LegalEagle80 · 04-06-2018, 05:18 PM

I can definitely see regression at age 35+. I just always thought, both in OOTP 18 and in the previous versions, that guys really starting falling off a cliff statistically when they hit 30-31. I used to think, just anecdotally without really taking a look at the statistics, that there were plenty of players who were in their early 30s who were still producing like top tier players, but my memory could have just been selective and/or clouded by the number of guys putting up crazy stats in the steroid era (e.g. Jeff Kent).

r0nster · 04-06-2018, 06:36 PM

you can help slow down their decline by changing the settings as for me my players decline at age 34 but relievers I have found can keep going into their 40s

03-30-2018, 10:40 AM	#1
jaguar8311 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 213 Blog Entries: 1	Aging too fast? Running MLB Quickstart. Just finished 1st season. Could be just a small sample size, but I see guys like Donaldson and Kluber (Elite 32, 33 year old players) experiencing dramatic declining. Anyone else experiencing this? If it's a known issue, are there plans to address it in an upcoming patch? Thanks

03-30-2018, 01:25 PM	#3
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,951	It's not an issue. Just something that happened to those guys.

03-30-2018, 02:01 PM	#4
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 355	I used to (think I) experienced this a lot and always changed the defaults to slow down aging. In OOTP18 I left things at the defaults, and actually it worked out fine - some realistic collapses, some players staying strong into their 40s (but not too many).

03-30-2018, 09:36 PM	#5
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,004	Felix Hernandez and Miguel Cabrera say hi. Baseball eats the aged and infirm. Never trust anyone over thirty.

03-31-2018, 12:57 AM	#6
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	cabrera has had a ton of injuries -- lower body and back issues = no go for swinging a bat well. a better example would be a healthy person's stats falling off a cliff.. plenty to choose from. m cabrera has anothe 1 or 2 .500+ slugging years left in him, even if his birth certificate is fraudulent. if he keeps breaking down, that's not going to happen, either. lots of people trail off.. lots of people hit a proverbial wall and it seems to happen all at once. then, anything in between too. default is quite accurate.

03-31-2018, 01:33 AM	#7
malichai11 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 282	I also think with much stricter PED testing that we're going to see faster aging in players now.

04-06-2018, 12:26 PM	#9
LegalEagle80 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 113	I tend to agree. I changed my batting aging to .925 and my pitcher aging to .950. I might go down even further after testing, but yeah, it seems like anyone over the age of 32 turns into a replacement player, or worse.

04-06-2018, 12:41 PM	#10
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	In this game you do see current stars fall off sometimes quickly, but sometimes players are still good into their late 30s and even early 40s. In my main game in 18, Alex Bregman was still playing, and still quite good, at age 44. It's just part of baseball

04-06-2018, 12:59 PM	#11
highandoutside All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 632	MLB is becoming a young person's game. For a variety of reasons, players are declining earlier and more often. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/ https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitt...-only-decline/

04-06-2018, 01:07 PM	#12
drhay53 Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 355	I've been playing with aging at ~0.3 for a couple of years. It works for me. Part of it is that I hate the inverted structure of baseball, IRL too. A player plays out his prime under team control and then some team has to offer 6 years to lock him up for 1-3 productive seasons. It's silly. I could change the rules in my league, but I find it easier to just turn aging down.

04-06-2018, 01:51 PM	#15
Reed All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,947	I just looked at the Baltimore and Boston 40 man rosters (80 total) and there was a total of ZERO players over age 35, only one aged 35.

04-06-2018, 02:38 PM	#16
Reed All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,947	I just checked the 40 man rosters for all 30 teams and there is a total of 21 players over age 35, 3 of them in their 40s with Ichiro being the oldest.

04-06-2018, 05:18 PM	#17
LegalEagle80 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 113	I can definitely see regression at age 35+. I just always thought, both in OOTP 18 and in the previous versions, that guys really starting falling off a cliff statistically when they hit 30-31. I used to think, just anecdotally without really taking a look at the statistics, that there were plenty of players who were in their early 30s who were still producing like top tier players, but my memory could have just been selective and/or clouded by the number of guys putting up crazy stats in the steroid era (e.g. Jeff Kent).

04-06-2018, 06:36 PM	#18
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	you can help slow down their decline by changing the settings as for me my players decline at age 34 but relievers I have found can keep going into their 40s