Futbol fans, explain to me this Dietmar Hopp controversy

[stl jason]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

They went against tradition. And as you know, when you go against tradition it tends to upset a lot of people.
It is a very silly thing to get upset over.

He is also 79 years old and I do not know what his plans are for the club when he passes on. The team is by no means self sustaining even though it is is a better place than it was when it first arrived in terms of advertising revenue, merchandising and media rights.
But without his money they might not be a Bundesliga club.
So this is not exactly something that will continue forever.

perhaps a good comparison with baseball would be the Marlins.... the league expands in 1993 and the Florida Marlins are awarded to billionaire Wayne Huizenga, who then spends copious amounts of money to bring in good players and wins the World Series just 5 seasons later in 1997; spurring complaints that they "bought" the title....

course, the immediate fire sale of that team cratered them to a 100+ losses the next season; so if MLB had a promotion/relegation system like the European football leagues, the Marlins would have been relegated to a lower tier the year after winning the top tier championship.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by stl jason

so if MLB had a promotion/relegation system like the European football leagues, the Marlins would have been relegated to a lower tier the year after winning the top tier championship.

...which has happened to at least one soccer team.

The demotion of Nürnberg was especially tragic as they had been Bundesliga champions only 12 months ago. Nevertheless, a pre-season sell-out of their best players and continuous quarrels between coach Max Merkel and his players proved to be costly, and although Merkel was sacked in late March 1969, it was too late to reverse tides. A home draw to Dortmund on matchday 33 and the defeat against Köln one week later eventually sealed their fate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968–69_Bundesliga

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

All I'm saying is in business, you buy a company, you invest in the company, you get return from your company, you grow the company, you better the company. That's true whether you are in a democracy, socialist, communist, or monarchy. No one should be upset about that.

What you said is factually wrong. Growth of the company is only one possible goal and sometimes not a goal for a company at all. You should go look up the definition of the word.

And most sports teams aren't free enterprises. They are in general heavily-regulated, and most free enterprises sports are smaller operations, with the biggest one probably pro wrestling.

Most European sports clubs are supposed to be local public services. They are something like overgrown community center sports teams that started out as a service for the locals.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by stl jason

perhaps a good comparison with baseball would be the Marlins.... the league expands in 1993 and the Florida Marlins are awarded to billionaire Wayne Huizenga, who then spends copious amounts of money to bring in good players and wins the World Series just 5 seasons later in 1997; spurring complaints that they "bought" the title....

And that is nothing but jealousy. Another example of the wealthy throwing up a smoke screen that misplaces the populace's outrage. If more owners were willing to spend, they would have a trophy case as well.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

What you said is factually wrong. Growth of the company is only one possible goal and sometimes not a goal for a company at all. You should go look up the definition of the word.

And most sports teams aren't free enterprises. They are in general heavily-regulated, and most free enterprises sports are smaller operations, with the biggest one probably pro wrestling.

Most European sports clubs are supposed to be local public services. They are something like overgrown community center sports teams that started out as a service for the locals.

If I say you are right will that get you to end the discussion? As I said, I'm not interested in debating the topic because it isn't sports and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

If I say you are right will that get you to end the discussion? As I said, I'm not interested in debating the topic because it isn't sports and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

To understand what I said is very important for you to understand why there are people unhappy about it. It has everything to do with the topic at hand and explains very well why some people are unhappy.

If you understand what I just said about how football clubs come about, and then you'll see how some can view teams that are pet projects of rich people abominations. And this line of thinking is how some people believe money is ruining football. What they mean isn't about football as a sports competition. What they mean is about the overall culture.

The fact you don't see how my points are essential, is why you fail to understand the situation.

[Skipaway]

The closest thing to this in the US would be what's happening with college and high school sports. They are supposedly about providing ways for students to participate in competitions, but many of them are not quite that anymore. You can't then just say they are "free enterprises" and "companies seeking growth".

There are a lot of cases of high school teams "cheat" by abusing ambiguous attendance rules to import kids from elsewhere. You can definitely see the point of how some people will get mad at that, and you can definite see how they have reasonable arguments.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

To understand what I said is very important for you to understand why there are people unhappy about it. It has everything to do with the topic at hand and explains very well why some people are unhappy.

If you understand what I just said about how football clubs come about, and then you'll see how some can view teams that are pet projects of rich people abominations. And this line of thinking is how some people believe money is ruining football. What they mean isn't about football as a sports competition. What they mean is about the overall culture.

The fact you don't see how my points are essential, is why you fail to understand the situation.

The fact you don't understand is that I don't feel like debating the topic. I don't care to debate the topic. And I'm not going to debate the topic.

What is wrong with people who just want to force you into an argument?

Ignore

Have a nice life..........

[ezpkns34]

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

The fact you don't understand is that I don't feel like debating the topic. I don't care to debate the topic. And I'm not going to debate the topic.

What is wrong with people who just want to force you into an argument?

Ignore

Have a nice life..........

So why did you start this thread?

I think now it's clear you didn't intend to understand. You were just seeking approval of your views. When fact got in the way with your argument, you got angry. Don't feel bad about that. Studies have found that to be the reaction of most people in arguments. Facts don't change people's views. Facts against one's argument make one upset and double down.