Turn Storylines off??? - Page 2

Jabez54 · 08-23-2013, 09:29 AM

Er ... okay ... this is not helping the Game ... the War of Words ...

There are many options to tailor the Game/Leagues to our own personal flavor ... for that I am very appreciative ... whether I likes or dislikes are not voice over the forum unless it's hurting the overall of the Game of Baseball, as a whole ... but this isn't helping ...

soxfan34 · 08-23-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Thanks for the clarification. I think I'm going to turn SLs on in my fictional league and see how I like them. I don't think I'll ever use them in an MLB Quickstart (or at least until that turns into a fully fictional league by 2030 or so) because it's just not believable to see David Wright retire suddenly to pursue another sport or the military.

And that's the exact point. Storylines don't recognize "David Wright" as a name. So to someone seeing him leaving the league to become a lumberjack, it sounds stupid. If you saw that in your fictional league you'd be like "what an idiot" and move on. I truly think OOTP was meant to be played in a fictional environment.

Cryomaniac · 08-23-2013, 09:42 AM

While we're talking about storylines, would it be possible (probably for OOTP 15) to get something that allows us to allow a storyline to happen more than once, but not to the same player? I appreciate that it's not likely to happen as things are, but you could, in theory, have someone's mother die twice or something.

Could we also have a guide to editing the storylines at some point?

soxfan34 · 08-23-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnHoward

Thanks Andreas, I will be happy to comply. I am guilty of echoing this sentiment repeatedly. I will turn storylines off permanently and never mention them again here.

However, it irks me no end that there is one user in particular who craps all over every aspect of the game at every opportunity and who never gets called out. I used to think this other poster was a rival game developer who was just here to cut down his competition. Now I just think he is a trouble-making idiot. He doesn't just bang on one thing though, he bangs on everything, so I guess that's cool.

nevermind I just realized who this was referencing

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Andreas Raht

That is not true and it's offending me, Wolf. I'll never understand constructive criticism as "troublemaking". But I understand what you're doing here as trolling. I'm ready to give you some infraction points

Andreas, you missed the

That was HUMOR.

hefalumps · 08-23-2013, 09:49 AM

Thanks Andreas... glad to see those options are in there already!

Reading through others' posts I remembered the one other major complaint I was hearing about storylines - huge hits to fan interest or market size. I haven't experienced this yet, but if I recall this was toned down in subsequent versions, right?

Anyway, I've kept them disabled in my OOTP13 leagues and prior, but I'm rolling with them in the new league I started with OOTP14. I'll see how they treat me and adjust accordingly.

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm sure Jim Leyland was screaming "turn storylines off" the morning after the White Sox took Miggy out and got him fall down drunk.

That's a silly response that did not address the issue.

BIG17EASY · 08-23-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by soxfan34

And that's the exact point. Storylines don't recognize "David Wright" as a name. So to someone seeing him leaving the league to become a lumberjack, it sounds stupid. If you saw that in your fictional league you'd be like "what an idiot" and move on. I truly think OOTP was meant to be played in a fictional environment.

Well, I don't know if I'd be that unaffected by it if it was my star player in a fictional league, but I get your point that it's obviously much more believable when we don't know the player's personal background. And there are storylines that would be believable for David Wright or some other big name player in real life. And I'm sure there are people who play OOTP who aren't bothered by the possibility of Mike Trout retiring to be a lumberjack.

Like Andreas said, if you like them, use them. If not, turn them off.

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Andreas Raht

That is not true and it's offending me, Wolf. I'll never understand constructive criticism as "troublemaking". But I understand what you're doing here as trolling. I'm ready to give you some infraction points

Actually I have given you my best constructive criticism. I have yet to see a serious response.

David Watts · 08-23-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

That's a silly response that did not address the issue.

Sure it did. Dealing with off field issues is part of baseball. I was addressing the part of your post in which you talked about how you play the game to test your skill. Randomn events are part of everyday baseball and sure most managers would love it if all they had to deal with is on field issues. Never going to happen. I don't use storylines either, but I can see why people would want to.

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Sure it did. Dealing with off field issues is part of baseball. I was addressing the part of your post in which you talked about how you play the game to test your skill. Randomn events are part of everyday baseball and sure most managers would love it if all they had to deal with is on field issues. Never going to happen. I don't use storylines either, but I can see why people would want to.

Fail. Without storylines OOTP still gives us off field events. Ever had a player bitten by a coyote? Or injured off the field in other ways? I have, and I think it's enough.

mpejkrm · 08-23-2013, 10:06 AM

I just think most storylines are unrealistic. Star players in their prime making millions don't suddenly leave to go play football.

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 10:09 AM

Okay, let's break this down.

Andreas:

1. What is the official purpose for storylines?

2. Why have there been so many severely punitive outcomes from storyline stories (loss of market size, fan interest, etc.)?

3. Why are there so very few positive outcomes to storylines?

4. Did the OOTP design staff believe that there was insufficient randomness in the game before adding storylines?

No, I'm not trolling. You wanted constructive criticism, I gave it, and now I'm asking serious questions.

rpriske · 08-23-2013, 10:10 AM

I wonder if the like/dislike line also falls on the plays/sims line.

I am not saying it does... I just wonder.

I think that if I flew through my games like some people do and I saw three storylines in ten minutes... I might not enjoy it.

But when you play through those games and it takes months to finish a season, having storylines pop up makes the game more interesting and entertaining.

rpriske · 08-23-2013, 10:11 AM

Plus, I constantly wonder why certain people get so angry about things that don't effect their play experience in the slightest.

David Watts · 08-23-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Fail. Without storylines OOTP still gives us off field events. Ever had a player bitten by a coyote? Or injured off the field in other ways? I have, and I think it's enough.

That's fine. I don't use storylines either. Heck, I don't even use personality and Morale. I also don't worry whether or not others do. I use short pbp/instant and play out games fast. Do you ever see me on here yelling "get rid of play by play?"

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rpriske

Plus, I constantly wonder why certain people get so angry about things that don't effect their play experience in the slightest.

Don't mistake dislike for anger. Storylines don't make me mad at all.

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

That's fine. I don't use storylines either. Heck, I don't even use personality and Morale. I also don't worry whether or not others do. I use short pbp/instant and play out games fast. Do you ever see me on here yelling "get rid of play by play?"

No, and I don't yell "get rid of storylines." I think they will be usable one day, and have said so repeatedly.

PSUColonel · 08-23-2013, 10:23 AM

It's one of those things that is similar to politics...If you repeat a lie long enough it has a funny way of becoming truth.

David Watts · 08-23-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

No, and I don't yell "get rid of storylines." I think they will be usable one day, and have said so repeatedly.

Fair enough. But, like everything else in this game it tends to be a process. Look at how far historical play has come over the years. Let's look at another aspect of this great game, league evolution. I think league evolution has tons and tons of potential, but as things stand now I feel it is a feature that was added to the game and forgotten. Nothing has been added or improved about it since its addition.

08-23-2013, 09:29 AM	#21
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,068	Er ... okay ... this is not helping the Game ... the War of Words ... There are many options to tailor the Game/Leagues to our own personal flavor ... for that I am very appreciative ... whether I likes or dislikes are not voice over the forum unless it's hurting the overall of the Game of Baseball, as a whole ... but this isn't helping ... __________________ Always a pleasure to stop in and visit the neighborhood!! Last edited by Jabez54; 08-23-2013 at 09:31 AM.

08-23-2013, 09:42 AM	#23
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	While we're talking about storylines, would it be possible (probably for OOTP 15) to get something that allows us to allow a storyline to happen more than once, but not to the same player? I appreciate that it's not likely to happen as things are, but you could, in theory, have someone's mother die twice or something. Could we also have a guide to editing the storylines at some point? __________________

08-23-2013, 09:49 AM	#26
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,357	Thanks Andreas... glad to see those options are in there already! Reading through others' posts I remembered the one other major complaint I was hearing about storylines - huge hits to fan interest or market size. I haven't experienced this yet, but if I recall this was toned down in subsequent versions, right? Anyway, I've kept them disabled in my OOTP13 leagues and prior, but I'm rolling with them in the new league I started with OOTP14. I'll see how they treat me and adjust accordingly.

08-23-2013, 10:06 AM	#32
mpejkrm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 951	I just think most storylines are unrealistic. Star players in their prime making millions don't suddenly leave to go play football.

08-23-2013, 10:10 AM	#34
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 23,973 Blog Entries: 1	I wonder if the like/dislike line also falls on the plays/sims line. I am not saying it does... I just wonder. I think that if I flew through my games like some people do and I saw three storylines in ten minutes... I might not enjoy it. But when you play through those games and it takes months to finish a season, having storylines pop up makes the game more interesting and entertaining.

08-23-2013, 10:11 AM	#35
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 23,973 Blog Entries: 1	Plus, I constantly wonder why certain people get so angry about things that don't effect their play experience in the slightest.

08-23-2013, 10:23 AM	#39
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	It's one of those things that is similar to politics...If you repeat a lie long enough it has a funny way of becoming truth.