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01-24-2013, 09:18 PM | #1 |
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Tie-breakers
I have not been around much lately. Last I knew playoff tie-breakers needed some work. The only major flaw of an otherwise near perfect game. Just wondering if this was going to get addressed? Thanks Marcus, Andreas, and Co.
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01-25-2013, 01:26 AM | #2 |
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Tie-breaking has been a long-standing concern. With MLB adding the second wild card qualifier in each league, it becomes even more important since now there are some unusual tie situations possible (e.g. three teams tied for two playoff spots). Last year during beta I posted up a rather detailed thread outlining the good and bad aspects of the game's tie-breaking, along with suggestions as to how certain tie scenarios should be resolved. In the end nothing came of it.
Don't know why that was. Maybe it was official disinterest, maybe it was because I didn't present the issue in the right manner, maybe it was deemed a low priority than other issues, maybe time ran out, maybe it was something else... It'd sure be nice to see it get the polish it deserves. But I expect it has a poor cost/benefit ratio, I bet it'd take a lot of coding effort to do right for something which otherwise might be considered a 'little' detail. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 01-25-2013 at 01:35 AM. Reason: Trying to reduce the level of crankiness in the phrasing |
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Tie-Breakers have been improved in OOTP 13 already, not sure if any more work would make sense.
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Do three-team tie breakers now work how they do in real life, without us having to schedule more games manually? If not then I think doing that would make sense.
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I know tie-breaking is not a particularly 'glamorous' or 'sexy' area, but it needs to be done right for most tie scenarios (at least the ones MLB rules provide for at any rate). |
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It also needs to work properly for 1 subleague 1 division leagues with no playoffs. When 2 teams tie there should be some form of playoff game, instead one has to do this manually. It's been forever since I played using this format, but in the past when 2 teams tied for second place, an unneeded playoff game would be scheduled. Not sure if this was ever corrected either. Last edited by David Watts; 01-25-2013 at 02:41 PM. |
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You could have a five-way tie and even the MLB doesn't have a way to resolve that one.
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There is no official method, but there was one considered for the 1973 NL East race, and a theoretical one mentioned in an article about the playoff races from 2003, if I recall the year correctly.
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Yes, but they never adopted one.
Q. What happens when all five teams in one division finish 81-81? A. There's total panic in the commissioner's office!
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Not this again...
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I have started a fictional league where there are 6 teams making the playoffs in each conference. The 2 divisional winners get byes. The current game is up to 40 seasons. It appears that when there is a tie for first it is decided by alphabetical order. The order starts with Z to A. I am starting to think that it is more than coincidence that the lower alphabetical team always wins the tie breaker. This addition to the game is great but needs to be reevaluated.
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The five team tiebreaker for one spot would go like this:
Assign teams the rankings A, B, C, D, and E based on head-to-head results between the tied teams. The best team would be A and the worst team would be E. If tied for the division title or the division title and one wild card spot: Day 1: E @ D, C @ A Day 2: B @ E/D winner Day 3: C/A winner @ Day 2 winner If tied for both wild card spots: Same as above, but Day 3 would be the wild card playoff game. Home field would be determined by H2H record between the teams. If tied for the division title and both wild card spots: (Games in italics are play-in games for the wild card spots.) Day 1: E @ D, C @ A Day 2: B @ E/D winner Day 3: C/A winner @ Day 2 winner Day 4: C/A loser @ E/D loser, Day 2 loser @ Day 3 loser Day 5: Wild card playoff game |
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In this second picture it shows the head to head over record over the season. The Pirates are 5-4 vs the Padres so they should have the #1 seed. In this final picture you can see the Pardes got the #1 seed. No idea how. I've tried everything to make this right manually. I deleted all the games for this round and manually scheduled them but it doesn't register because the game doesn't recognize it as the right teams playing each other. I'm at a loss. If anyone has any idea how to work around this it would be much appreciated. Otherwise this really needs to be addressed. To play out 162 games then the results not be handled correctly when it's most important is almost game-killing to me.
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Preach it, brother!
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I'll keep the good fight up sir. Thank you. Sent a PM to Markus. Let's see if he has the time to get back to me.
With head to head record already being tracked it sure seems like it wouldn't be to much to get the program to look at that when there is a tie for seeding. Man do I miss TonyM's playoff editor. Sure would like to see a version of that make it into the game.
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