Giancarlo Stanton vs. J.D Martinez: Who is the best right fielder in baseball?

Dkelley · 07-11-2015, 10:47 PM

Let me know what you think. IMO I think Stanton is a little better, but Martinez has been tearing it up this year as well.

Airdrop01 · 07-11-2015, 10:52 PM

I don't even see how Martinez is in the question. Also, Stanton is a LOT better.

Bryce Harper?

I can think of a bunch of guys I'd rather have than J.D.

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 08:33 AM

You're right, Bryce Harper would be better...

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 08:34 AM

Stats for J.D Martinez

Stats for Giancarlo Stanton

What do you think now?

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 08:39 AM

Here is an exit velocity chart, comparing Martinez and Stanton, provided by Baseball Savant

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 08:45 AM

Some advanced statistics provided by FanGraphs, Martinez on top, Stanton on bottom

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 08:52 AM

If you wanted to bring Bryce Harper into the discussion:

stl jason · 07-12-2015, 09:20 AM

so you're just defining 'best' right fielder on offensive production only? What about defense? Might be others who don't hit as hard/as many HRs, but take away more hits/runs with their glove/arm to make them as valuable (if not more so).

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 09:40 AM

Here are some advanced batting statistics

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 09:45 AM

Here is the leaderboard for best fielding right fielders based on the DEF statistic. Check out the top 2 =D

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 09:49 AM

More of the same, this time sorted by the ARM statistic

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 09:52 AM

Baseball is a game of runs, and perhaps the best defensive statistic is Defensive Runs Saved (DRS).

RchW · 07-12-2015, 09:53 AM

I'm curious what exit velocity tells us about being a good RF.

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 09:54 AM

Let me know what you all think and whether I have a valid argument on who is better, Stanton or Martinez?

Dkelley · 07-12-2015, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

I'm curious what exit velocity tells us about being a good RF.

This is just used as an offensive statistic, nothing to do with fielding. Just an offensive measure of production.

RchW · 07-12-2015, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dkelley

This is just used as an offensive statistic, nothing to do with fielding. Just a valuation measure of batting.

Right. So why use it early in a thread about RF.

What new information does it tell us about offensive production that we don't already know through several other advanced stats.

Airdrop01 · 07-12-2015, 11:30 AM

Hey, you can take JD. I mean, I'd rather have Jason Heyward than JD.

Are you just looking at 2015? Defense matters. A lot.

I'll agree JD Martinez is a better DH than, say, Billy Butler. If your question is who is having a better offensive ten games, or who is having a better offensive season, then that is way different than who is the best RF in baseball.

Anyway, I don't think judging the "best RF in baseball" is possible at all with the metrics (I hate that word and sabremetrics in general) you're using, and is exponentially less possible using only half a season too...with said half season being the career super best shiny happy year of JD's offensive life by the way.

Anyway, JD is having a great offensive year. I'd just personally rather have quite a few others if I were picking. Heck, if you make it outfielders, there are probably 20 - 30 more I'd rather have.

RchW · 07-12-2015, 11:33 AM

Right now Harper by a mile of country breakfasts.

Airdrop01 · 07-12-2015, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

by a mile of country breakfasts.

actionjackson · 07-12-2015, 06:28 PM

I'll take Giancarlo Stanton please. Though I must admit Bryce Harper is charging hard based on this season, but over the last three, Stanton is my guy. Jason Heyward and Jose Bautista have been pretty damn good too. J.D. Martinez has a helluva lot of catching up to do to put it mildly. He's not even remotely in the picture yet. His defense will always be his undoing, unless he really starts to pick it up.

07-11-2015, 10:47 PM	#1
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Giancarlo Stanton vs. J.D Martinez: Who is the best right fielder in baseball? Let me know what you think. IMO I think Stanton is a little better, but Martinez has been tearing it up this year as well.

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Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Giancarlo Stanton vs. J.D Martinez: Who is the best right fielder in baseball? Stats for J.D Martinez Stats for Giancarlo Stanton What do you think now? Last edited by Dkelley; 07-12-2015 at 08:37 AM.

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RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The big smoke Posts: 15,628	Right now Harper by a mile of country breakfasts. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

07-11-2015, 10:52 PM	#2
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	I don't even see how Martinez is in the question. Also, Stanton is a LOT better. Bryce Harper? I can think of a bunch of guys I'd rather have than J.D.

07-12-2015, 08:33 AM	#3
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	You're right, Bryce Harper would be better...

07-12-2015, 08:39 AM	#5
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Here is an exit velocity chart, comparing Martinez and Stanton, provided by Baseball Savant

07-12-2015, 08:45 AM	#6
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Some advanced statistics provided by FanGraphs, Martinez on top, Stanton on bottom

07-12-2015, 08:52 AM	#7
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	If you wanted to bring Bryce Harper into the discussion:

07-12-2015, 09:20 AM	#8
stl jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,943	so you're just defining 'best' right fielder on offensive production only? What about defense? Might be others who don't hit as hard/as many HRs, but take away more hits/runs with their glove/arm to make them as valuable (if not more so).

07-12-2015, 09:40 AM	#9
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Here are some advanced batting statistics

07-12-2015, 09:45 AM	#10
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Here is the leaderboard for best fielding right fielders based on the DEF statistic. Check out the top 2 =D

07-12-2015, 09:49 AM	#11
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	More of the same, this time sorted by the ARM statistic

07-12-2015, 09:52 AM	#12
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Baseball is a game of runs, and perhaps the best defensive statistic is Defensive Runs Saved (DRS).

07-12-2015, 09:54 AM	#14
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Let me know what you all think and whether I have a valid argument on who is better, Stanton or Martinez?

07-12-2015, 11:30 AM	#17
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Hey, you can take JD. I mean, I'd rather have Jason Heyward than JD. Are you just looking at 2015? Defense matters. A lot. I'll agree JD Martinez is a better DH than, say, Billy Butler. If your question is who is having a better offensive ten games, or who is having a better offensive season, then that is way different than who is the best RF in baseball. Anyway, I don't think judging the "best RF in baseball" is possible at all with the metrics (I hate that word and sabremetrics in general) you're using, and is exponentially less possible using only half a season too...with said half season being the career super best shiny happy year of JD's offensive life by the way. Anyway, JD is having a great offensive year. I'd just personally rather have quite a few others if I were picking. Heck, if you make it outfielders, there are probably 20 - 30 more I'd rather have.

07-12-2015, 06:28 PM	#20
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,123	I'll take Giancarlo Stanton please. Though I must admit Bryce Harper is charging hard based on this season, but over the last three, Stanton is my guy. Jason Heyward and Jose Bautista have been pretty damn good too. J.D. Martinez has a helluva lot of catching up to do to put it mildly. He's not even remotely in the picture yet. His defense will always be his undoing, unless he really starts to pick it up.