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02-01-2013, 04:23 PM | #61 | |
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The idea we can tell the future in anything is a bit weird to me though. |
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I don't agree with you that the basic stats provide every useful information. In 2008, Oliver Perez went 10-7 with 180 strikeouts and a 4.22ERA. Meanwhile on the west coast, Randy Johnson went 11-10 with 118 strikeouts and 3.91ERA. Oliver Perez gave up fewer hits and fewer Home runs, as can be seen in both league totals and H/9 and HR/9s. Well, based on these stats, won't you say that at least Oliver Perez is at least as comparable as Johnson? Well, according to Sabermetricans on Baseball-Reference, Johnson produced 3.0WAR in 2008, Oliver Perez produced half of that. Despite a decent looking record and pretty good strikeouts total, Oliver Perez's ERA+ is just average (100), while Randy Johnson produced an above average ERA+(108) Now, who do you think is a better pitcher in 2008? Randy Johnson or Oliver Perez? If you say "Oliver Perez", then I don't think we'll ever reach a cosensus because we clearly see numbers in a different way. However, just as me (and a lot of others here) respect your opinion, would you at least respect Sabermetrican's work even though you might not agree with them? And no, I would not call "My guess is people who need all these newfangled stats in the real world, for some reason, are either unable to figure things out by what they see from players or they just don't believe what their eyes are showing them" is a very respectful way of talking. |
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04-26-2013, 09:14 PM | #63 | |
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Some ARE useful, but most are overkill that blind you to the real cause And if Sabermetrics WERE the say all be all, wouldn't the teams that use them exclusively win ALL the time? That's my rant, I will watch Trouble with the Curve again...love that movie
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04-27-2013, 04:38 PM | #65 | |
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I'd also like to see a 'Green Light' button for base stealers where the hitter doesn't necessarily have to take the pitch like he does with "Steal 2nd/3rd", but the runner doesn't necessarily have to run like he would with "Run & Hit" or "Send Forced." The runner could wait for a good jump and the hitter could take or swing away as normal Last edited by cblacker; 04-27-2013 at 04:40 PM. |
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Obviously using sabermetrics appropriately is not going to allow you to win "ALL the time", because (among many reasons) there is luck in baseball, just as knowing the math of poker won't let you win at poker all the time. But it will sure help you win more often, and if you feel otherwise, let's please play poker some time. |
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06-01-2013, 01:43 PM | #67 | |
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Nowadays it is Flyball rate, WAR(highly inaccurate) and ERA+ ERA+ is very flawed in that ANY exception to the rule of a certain type of pitcher is dismissed...such as Jack Morris Use many stats to evaluate and take into account the player is a person with other attributes And I am not talking Front Office personnel, I am speaking of the new type of baseball "fan"
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pitch to contact is a terrible strategy. it may work well in situational spots. but as a 9 inning, 162 game strategy, look no farther then the minnesota twins to see how well that works. it doesnt help that they also are not aggressive at the plate either, so for the past 10 years have struggled to consistently score runs, and leave a ton of runners on base.
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Here's where I have (and will continue) to use "pitch to contact"...
if more than one of these statements is true: 1) there are runners on 2) my pitcher is down in the count 3-0 3) he's having control issues 4) (and this may actually be reason #1) the guy up is not as big a hitter as the guy on deck. Even the best hitters make outs seven out of ten, so if the above situations are present, I'd rather take my chances putting the ball in play rather than put another guy on, especially with sluggers coming up. I think it's a good feature and I'm glad to have it available ...even if I use it only once in awhile. |
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I think the most usefull time to use it is when a Knuckleballer is on the mound
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I think Markus would have grayed out this option in that case!
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