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11-13-2019, 06:43 PM | #21 |
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The only thing I can say with any kind of authority when it comes to the playoffs in OOTP, teams down 3-0 in seven games series win at a much higher rate than what is historically accurate. This is either because even in MLB history, the sample size we have is too small and so OOTP actually models it more correctly or, there is more to overcome for a team being down 3-0 than OOTP can properly model. It is possible that being down 3-0 is one of the few spots where morale or momentum plays such a large part of the equation that OOTP undervalues it. Either way, in terms of teams winning or losing series compared to real life, that's the only obvious discrepancy I've seen.
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11-13-2019, 07:40 PM | #22 | |
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11-13-2019, 08:15 PM | #23 |
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I think OOTP gets this pretty right, actually. We’ve had crazy streaks in our online league, including a streak a few versions ago where 4s kept upsetting 1s. Now the favorites win more often than not. Roster construction seems to be rewarded, and weaknesses exposed. The hot team sometimes goes on a run.
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Also it seems to me that teams down 3-0 are much more likely to extend the series in OOTP than MLB. 28 of the 33 series in MLB history (excluding last few seasons) were sweeps. That seems statistically strange so again, it is possible that the sample size in MLB is just too low to draw many conclusions. However I am quite sure that the amount of teams in OOTP to start 0-3 in a series and then win game four is going to be a number close to 50%. Quote:
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11-14-2019, 01:42 PM | #27 |
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1) MLB's sample size is too low, as you said.
2) There probably is a big morale effect in real life to being down 3-0 and not believing you have a chance that is well beyond the extent to which OOTP includes morale factors. In addition, OOTP probably doesn't even try to directly impose a morale penalty for being down 3-0 (and that's probably for the best given no one knows how big it should be). |
11-14-2019, 06:57 PM | #28 | |
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Yes, I don't think I've seen that happen yet. I believe you, I just haven't seen that personally. Interesting stats in your post! |
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11-21-2019, 09:33 PM | #29 |
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Here is something that happens in the postseason in OOTP that you never see in MLB. This is Game #2 of the Divisional Series with Detroit winning the first game. There is a day off after this game to travel to Detroit for game #3. Why is this pitcher still pitching? Why was he left in when he originally gave up the two run homer after relieving the struggling starter? What is the AI saving the bullpen for? Yes being down six sucks but there is still a lot of game left and being down 2-0 in a five game elimination series seems pretty bad too. Wouldn't every MLB manager be willing to exhaust the entire bullpen in this game to try and stay in it, especially knowing a day off is next? This is a place where I see the AI really fail in strategy, is understanding the urgency of winning a specific game in the context of a playoff series.
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11-21-2019, 09:40 PM | #30 |
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It gets even worse. He manages to get the third out in the top of the 5th. Then Cleveland pushes a run across in the bottom of the inning to close the gap to five runs. Then the AI decides it is still time to just give up I guess? And try to kill a guy's arm in the process...
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11-21-2019, 10:01 PM | #31 |
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I agree. I don't think they have enough different tactics for playoff games relative to regular season games. It may use exactly the same logic as in the regular season as to when to pull a pitcher, which is bad strategy for the postseason.
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11-21-2019, 10:21 PM | #32 | |
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I very much agree with this, tho they are some good things like how they do use the closer for 2 innings for saves, I have also seen some great PH and good pulling of SP+ pen usage but in blowouts and lopsided games like above the Playoff AI is just missing something.
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11-21-2019, 11:39 PM | #33 | |
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Similar to the theory of setting the trade frequency setting depending on what month it is. |
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11-22-2019, 03:40 AM | #34 |
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I don't think it's possible with that to get to realistic playoff usage. The idea with pitcher usage, which is the most obvious, is you use your best pitchers more. "Tomorrow" matters less, and in an elimination game it doesn't matter at all. If the above had been avoided by just setting hooking relievers to as often as it can be set to, it would also lead to hooking closers faster, too.
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11-22-2019, 01:33 PM | #35 | |
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At the same time you’re not gonna get perfect realism using that and I understand that kind of sucks plus the AI doesn’t really understand how to platoon effectively Especially in the playoffs.
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