DH haters

[tickbushtom]

We need our own PT leagues or at least a home-field option.

[Kushiel]

Can't do it. I hate the DH in baseball as most of us older players do. However. I do not want the AI deciding when I need to PH for my pitcher completely during the games.

[Orcin]

It would also kill using all of the 2018 pitchers except Ohtani in perfect leagues because it would be like playing with 8 batters. Walter Johnson would be automatic in every rotation.

[Westheim]

I hate the DH with burning passion, but the more I see of the AI managing my team the less I want it managing my team. Letting Craig Swan finish a complete-game 11-hitter in a 5-3 elimination game?? There is eight relievers to pick from, some even rested, or able!

(Yes, I had a position player finish a game on the mound that the Raccoons were actually winning *today*. Don't use my dynasty thread against me. )

Also, the developers have been pretty clear that there will not be separate universes at least in 19, so that is off the table.

Originally Posted by Orcin

Walter Johnson would be automatic in every rotation.

Holy... what are his batting ratings? With several homers year after year in the dead ball era he must have an absurd power rating.

Edit, nevermind, found him, two different cards actually. Better batting ratings than half of current MLB. =)

[uschi_baerchen]

OK, no let us open the big bottle: my personal opinion is, that the DH-rule is better than letting some bat who never practised it. And: in reality the non DHters take away the strategic decision when to replace the starter: in non DH it is taken out after 5.2 inning + as soon as he is to bat whereas in DH you can do some subtle calculations exactly when it hurts the oppónent the most to Change the pitcher.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by uschi_baerchen

And: in reality the non DHters take away the strategic decision when to replace the starter: in non DH it is taken out after 5.2 inning + as soon as he is to bat whereas in DH you can do some subtle calculations exactly when it hurts the oppónent the most to Change the pitcher.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. There is *no* strategy involved in when to replace your starting pitcher in a league that employs the fake position. Somebody gets up in the pen as soon as the pitch count closes in on 80-90, or when a major whacking threatens to develop. A chipmunk with half a brain could manage a DH team and do no worse than the average AL manager.

The beauty of the game, and all the strategy lies solely in the true, non-DH version.

#8 batter hits a 1-out single with the bases empty in the seventh.

The true game: So what now? Bunt? Pinch-hit? How many pitches on your guy? We played 12 innings last night. Who will he face the next inning? Can we get a double switch done somewhere? Get someone up just to mess with the other team!

The game with the fake position: #9 batter steps in... and... strikes out.

The fake position stinks. The only reason I can accept it in the game is because the AI would not manage my team to my satisfaction if left to making PH decisions in a close game. Or a not-so-close game.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Sorry, but this is nonsense. There is *no* strategy involved in when to replace your starting pitcher in a league that employs the fake position. Somebody gets up in the pen as soon as the pitch count closes in on 80-90, or when a major whacking threatens to develop.

Same as the N.L. except that the manager has two assistants to check the lineup card for when the pitcher might bat again.

[Zorro]

It is kind of like the Republicans Vs the Democrats, It is a no win argument. You either like it or you don’t and don’t listen to what the other side says because they are wrong.😁

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Sorry, but this is nonsense. There is *no* strategy involved in when to replace your starting pitcher in a league that employs the fake position. Somebody gets up in the pen as soon as the pitch count closes in on 80-90, or when a major whacking threatens to develop. A chipmunk with half a brain could manage a DH team and do no worse than the average AL manager.

The beauty of the game, and all the strategy lies solely in the true, non-DH version.

#8 batter hits a 1-out single with the bases empty in the seventh.

The true game: So what now? Bunt? Pinch-hit? How many pitches on your guy? We played 12 innings last night. Who will he face the next inning? Can we get a double switch done somewhere? Get someone up just to mess with the other team!

The game with the fake position: #9 batter steps in... and... strikes out.

The fake position stinks. The only reason I can accept it in the game is because the AI would not manage my team to my satisfaction if left to making PH decisions in a close game. Or a not-so-close game.

Yeah, it's so much more fun watching what looks like 12 year olds face major league pitching and then hurt themselves running the bases because they look like 60 year old men running if by some miracle they make it on base. Sorry, I completely disagree and I'm old.

[the_mad_monk]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

Can't do it. I hate the DH in baseball as most of us older players do. However. I do not want the AI deciding when I need to PH for my pitcher completely during the games.

You could utilize the "Never lift for a pinch hitter" option under each pitcher's personal Game Strategy. Besides, other online baseball SIMs employ the non-DH league option rather effectively.

[Clavette]

Mmmm love me some DH

[chazzycat]

I hate the DH in real life, but it makes sense for this game mode.

[Clavette]

I think the simple solution here is for the mlb just adopt the dh in both leagues like in all my ootp sims and pt.

If not we might as well start having quarterbacks play linebacker in the nfl. Because why not?

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Clavette

I think the simple solution here is for the mlb just adopt the dh in both leagues like in all my ootp sims and pt.

The simple solution is to get rid of the fake position entirely, including in OOTP.

[Clavette]

Originally Posted by Westheim

The simple solution is to get rid of the fake position entirely, including in OOTP.

The hitting pitchers position? Seems fake to me. At least since Mike Hampton retired

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Clavette

The hitting pitchers position? Seems fake to me. At least since Mike Hampton retired

Nine guys field, same nine guys hit - doesn't get more natural than that. Everything else is fake.

[old timer]

Originally Posted by Westheim

The beauty of the game, and all the strategy lies solely in the true, non-DH version.

While this is a valid perspective, it's not the only valid perspective. It appears that you are favoring the managing aspect of the game and while I too like this aspect (part of my reason for liking OOTP), I also like to see people with talent playing the game.

Watching most pitchers try to hit, takes away from the fun (for some of us at least) since they clearly lack the talent in this respect (or maybe it's just lack of practice in some cases). The strategy added does not, for me at least, make up for the pain of watching pitchers batting. Furthermore, until you get to the later innings, you have no extra strategy and you still have to watch them bat.

[Ty Cobb]

I've got to go with Westheim. The DH is a natural sedative, and a powerful one. It invites lazy managing and prolongs the career of hitters who are long past belonging in the game. Let's be honest...we all take our "good bat-can't field worth 4 ****s" hitter and put him at DH. It's an embarrassment.

[atabakin]

"That's a point for/against the DH that I hadn't previously considered. I think I've changed my mind and now support/oppose the DH based on this post you've made on an internet message board."

-- Nobody Ever

[Westheim]

"That's a point for/against X that I hadn't previously considered. I think I've changed my mind and now support/oppose X based on this post you've made on an internet message board."

-- Nobody Ever

Better version.