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10-11-2019, 04:16 PM | #41 |
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I don't agree and it's a critical distinction to make.
Skipaway is doing a good job explaining it. Look at our language. We have a lot of words and phrases in our vernacular which were commonly used 10, 20, 30, 50, etc years ago that will get you in big trouble now. That doesn't mean that everyone who used them was a racist. Nor is someone a racist who grew up using those terms who says them now without thinking about what they actually mean. Quote:
Of course it can be racist to "be against" wearing one's pants at different levels. "No son of mine is going to wear his pants like a ...." Is pretty obviously racist. So, I'll ask you again, to answer my previous queston |
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IMO, the problems are 1) that we look to punish - rather than explain, coach, guide - in response to the unintentional acts that could be perceived as racism, and 2) we ascribe harm to situation where there is actually just minor (and often fake) offense taken. |
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How about if they think that people associated with certain cultures that eat dog are immoral? Quote:
That seems more like what might be going on here. "It's wrong for anyone to..., because that's what [undesirable] people do" Quote:
It's similar to using sex, disabilities, etc as a pejorative. X's are bad, and you're bad too because you are like them. Quote:
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I was going to say something earlier about the punishment aspect. No, we shouldn't *punish* someone for, say, using a phrase that they learned as a kid and grew up using and no one ever thought twice about it. But, now, we should think about it |
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Now, is it okay for the athlete to (personally) respond to the guy and say his comments felt racist? Yes, as long as the athlete is willing to let the guy respond to his comments and start a dialogue.
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Restaurants can have standard on what kind of dress code they prefer, but it's not the same as defining what's high class. If I open a restaurant that ask all customers to wear bandana, it wouldn't mean I am defining bandana as high class.
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The issue people getting offended easy is a cultural phenomenon that's not really related to racism. People who get offended the easiest in the American society are not those being discriminated, but entitled people who are already at a position with advantage. Minorities typically take offensive things much better, because they got slighted all the time and they can't be outraged with everything or they wouldn't be able to live their lives. On the other hand, examples like Bret Stephens shows how people who are privileged are the ones that can't take anything.
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No, not at all as it relates to the letter-writer. The additional context is - to my knowledge - not present. Therefore, it's just inference. |
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I think to summarize while the letter is pretty much universally agreed upon to be in bad taste it's not racist by definition.
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Telling a white person to not eat tacos or have dreads [because those are disgusting things for *other* people] is racist I have no idea if that's his reasoning. But that he might target anyone on the team *in no way* means the statements can't be based on racist beliefs. |
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