red +/- numbers next to rating

adion · 07-04-2019, 07:53 AM

What are the red + & - numbers next to the players ratings on the cards. I looked on here but can't find the answer.

dancariaz · 07-04-2019, 08:12 AM

Overall rating gained/lost this season.

daves · 07-04-2019, 08:59 AM

For live players only. Jose Ramirez starting rating was 100 but could not bat his weight so he is -8. Bellinger started at 89 but is having an mvp season so he is +11.

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fredbeene · 07-04-2019, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by daves

For live players only. Jose Ramirez starting rating was 100 but could not bat his weight so he is -8. Bellinger started at 89 but is having an mvp season so he is +11.

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so for live cards is the current rating 'live'
the plus minus is based off the start of the year rating?
so 60 with plus five means they were actually a 55 at the start of the season and TODAY they are a 60?
There is nothing in the game itself that really describes it (that i can tell)

Dogberry99 · 07-04-2019, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

so for live cards is the current rating 'live'
the plus minus is based off the start of the year rating?
so 60 with plus five means they were actually a 55 at the start of the season and TODAY they are a 60?
There is nothing in the game itself that really describes it (that i can tell)

Basically. There were some database inconsistencies that led to the starting point being used for some cards not matching up with where they started in game, but for all intents and purposes, the number and the arrow reflect the change in OVR over the lifespan of the card.

Argonaut · 07-05-2019, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by daves

For live players only. Jose Ramirez starting rating was 100 but could not bat his weight so he is -8.

Jose Ramirez has to be the most overrated player in OOTP history. It was really bad. In the base game he's a lock to have a 10+ WAR season and win MVP every year. Everybody knew it was wrong too... sometimes the human element needs to be a check on these projection systems.

chazzycat · 07-05-2019, 12:49 PM

Ramirez put up 6 WAR at age 24 and 8 WAR at age 25, hitting 50% better than league average both years (wRC+ of 146). He walked more than he struck out, and stole 50 bases, while playing plus infield defense. Can you really blame the projection system for thinking he was going to be MVP level good?

Argonaut · 07-05-2019, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chazzycat

Ramirez put up 6 WAR at age 24 and 8 WAR at age 25, hitting 50% better than league average both years (wRC+ of 146). He walked more than he struck out, and stole 50 bases, while playing plus infield defense. Can you really blame the projection system for thinking he was going to be MVP level good?

I agree he had a couple of great years, but OOTP 20 had him rated far too high when it came out. To the point where it broke the game. The Indians swept the entire post-season 11-0 in my save (never been done in history).

You've got to have some wicked consistency to reach Trout-levels of performance. In my sims Ramirez was mostly better than Trout and I had to nerf him. Meanwhile the number of guys who have put up one or two great seasons only to regress is long... Bryce Harper, Chris Davis, etc.

Dogberry99 · 07-05-2019, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Argonaut

Meanwhile the number of guys who have put up one or two great seasons only to regress is long...

Its so long, a card set was created just for them!

chazzycat · 07-05-2019, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Argonaut

You've got to have some wicked consistency to reach Trout-levels of performance. In my sims Ramirez was mostly better than Trout and I had to nerf him. Meanwhile the number of guys who have put up one or two great seasons only to regress is long... Bryce Harper, Chris Davis, etc.

Two great seasons in a row is pretty much "consistency", in the eyes of projection systems. That's something Harper and Davis never did. You use the phrase "one or two seasons" like they are equivalent - they are not. Two seasons in a row is actually pretty strong evidence, certainly much moreso than one season.

Also you gotta consider the aging curve. Baseball players typically peak from 26-30 or so and Ramirez was just hitting that age coming off two extremely dominant seasons. The projections are pretty defensible IMO.

Just checked my current save and he did win one MVP...hardly seems to me like that "broke the game".

07-04-2019, 07:53 AM	#1
adion All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,376	red +/- numbers next to rating What are the red + & - numbers next to the players ratings on the cards. I looked on here but can't find the answer.

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dancariaz Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 234	Overall rating gained/lost this season. __________________ F2P Team

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daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,635	For live players only. Jose Ramirez starting rating was 100 but could not bat his weight so he is -8. Bellinger started at 89 but is having an mvp season so he is +11. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

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chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	Ramirez put up 6 WAR at age 24 and 8 WAR at age 25, hitting 50% better than league average both years (wRC+ of 146). He walked more than he struck out, and stole 50 bases, while playing plus infield defense. Can you really blame the projection system for thinking he was going to be MVP level good?