What is the end goal as far as distribution of teams at each tier and pro/rel?

allenciox · 04-22-2019, 01:29 PM

So this week, I count 11 perfect leagues, 21 Diamond leagues, 30 Gold leagues, 51 silver leagues, 64 bronze leagues, and 109 iron leagues. However, the pro/rel status has come closer to evening out: Iron through Silver will promote 6 and relegate 2 (except iron, of course), and gold and diamond will both promote 4 and relegate 2.

So there is definitely a pyramid shape to the leagues so far. Is the end-term goal to have about the same number of leagues at each level; or will the pyramid shape be retained in perpetuity? Also, will we eventually get to a point where there are 2 teams promoted/2 teams relegated for each division, or will there generally always be more teams promoted than relegated due to new players coming in to the game?

Thanks!

neugey · 04-22-2019, 01:50 PM

Good question, I'm also interested to see how this develops over time.

allenciox · 04-22-2019, 01:59 PM

Based on pro/rel, the following levels should have this many additional teams next week (season):

Perfect: +62 (or around 13 leagues)
Diamond: +14 (or around 21.5 leagues)
Gold: +126 (or around 34 leagues)
Silver: -24 (or around 50 leagues)
Bronze: +142 (or around 69 leagues)
Iron: entry pool players - 654 (currently 109 leagues)

From just eyeballing this, maybe they are trying to get so that each level has 2/3 as many teams as the level below it?

CrazyWR · 04-22-2019, 02:14 PM

they have said that the goal is ultimately 4 up and 4 down each season from the middle league.

Matt Arnold · 04-22-2019, 03:17 PM

I don't know what Chris and Markus have set as "ideal", but I believe it's roughly a pyramid shape overall, where each level down has more teams than the one above it. I think we've stated that this year we'll guarantee 4 promotions each week, and there's a complex algorithm to figure out how many promotions/demotions, so it won't always be even.

sharpk23 · 04-22-2019, 04:06 PM

Any thought to doing another league above Perfect.... Like a "King of the Hill" type of league where you could have the WS participants in each league move up to a league of "champs" for one year to see who is the best of the best. There would be only 1 league and would work well if the amounts of Perfect Leagues were 15 leagues. (2 teams in Perfect league get moved up to "King of the Hill" 2 get demoted to Diamond league).

Orcin · 04-22-2019, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sharpk23

Any thought to doing another league above Perfect.... Like a "King of the Hill" type of league where you could have the WS participants in each league move up to a league of "champs" for one year to see who is the best of the best. There would be only 1 league and would work well if the amounts of Perfect Leagues were 15 leagues. (2 teams in Perfect league get moved up to "King of the Hill" 2 get demoted to Diamond league).

If I could get one feature added to the game, this would be the one.

sharpk23 · 04-22-2019, 05:46 PM

Yeah. I think this would be a great feature. You get one year to see how you do against all the NL/AL champs from the prior season and then have all the teams get relegated back to Perfect league and another 30 get their chance at "King of the Hill" I think this would be a very cool feature.

One Great Matrix · 04-24-2019, 01:43 PM

Just my 2 cents but I feel like the "Perfect" Level serves that purpose. If you win a Perfect League you've sort of conquered the entire UNIVERSE... From there you can ...keep playing, and have some fun, in the end a team needs to lose in order for a team to win.

04-22-2019, 01:29 PM	#1
allenciox All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 735	What is the end goal as far as distribution of teams at each tier and pro/rel? So this week, I count 11 perfect leagues, 21 Diamond leagues, 30 Gold leagues, 51 silver leagues, 64 bronze leagues, and 109 iron leagues. However, the pro/rel status has come closer to evening out: Iron through Silver will promote 6 and relegate 2 (except iron, of course), and gold and diamond will both promote 4 and relegate 2. So there is definitely a pyramid shape to the leagues so far. Is the end-term goal to have about the same number of leagues at each level; or will the pyramid shape be retained in perpetuity? Also, will we eventually get to a point where there are 2 teams promoted/2 teams relegated for each division, or will there generally always be more teams promoted than relegated due to new players coming in to the game? Thanks!

04-22-2019, 01:50 PM	#2
neugey All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 805 Blog Entries: 39	Good question, I'm also interested to see how this develops over time. __________________ Online OOTP League Play: PBA - Cincinnati Reds MLM - Baltimore Orioles

04-22-2019, 01:59 PM	#3
allenciox All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 735	Some additional analysis Based on pro/rel, the following levels should have this many additional teams next week (season): Perfect: +62 (or around 13 leagues) Diamond: +14 (or around 21.5 leagues) Gold: +126 (or around 34 leagues) Silver: -24 (or around 50 leagues) Bronze: +142 (or around 69 leagues) Iron: entry pool players - 654 (currently 109 leagues) From just eyeballing this, maybe they are trying to get so that each level has 2/3 as many teams as the level below it? Last edited by allenciox; 04-22-2019 at 02:02 PM.

04-22-2019, 02:14 PM	#4
CrazyWR All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 549	they have said that the goal is ultimately 4 up and 4 down each season from the middle league.

04-22-2019, 03:17 PM	#5
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,145	I don't know what Chris and Markus have set as "ideal", but I believe it's roughly a pyramid shape overall, where each level down has more teams than the one above it. I think we've stated that this year we'll guarantee 4 promotions each week, and there's a complex algorithm to figure out how many promotions/demotions, so it won't always be even.

04-22-2019, 04:06 PM	#6
sharpk23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 90	Any thought to doing another league above Perfect.... Like a "King of the Hill" type of league where you could have the WS participants in each league move up to a league of "champs" for one year to see who is the best of the best. There would be only 1 league and would work well if the amounts of Perfect Leagues were 15 leagues. (2 teams in Perfect league get moved up to "King of the Hill" 2 get demoted to Diamond league).

04-22-2019, 05:46 PM	#8
sharpk23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 90	Yeah. I think this would be a great feature. You get one year to see how you do against all the NL/AL champs from the prior season and then have all the teams get relegated back to Perfect league and another 30 get their chance at "King of the Hill" I think this would be a very cool feature.

04-24-2019, 01:43 PM	#9
One Great Matrix All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,782	Just my 2 cents but I feel like the "Perfect" Level serves that purpose. If you win a Perfect League you've sort of conquered the entire UNIVERSE... From there you can ...keep playing, and have some fun, in the end a team needs to lose in order for a team to win.