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09-03-2013, 07:52 AM | #1 |
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First historical game, tips?
Recently bought OOTP 14, have played several other versions not including OOTP 13. Mostly played fictional leagues or started at the current time.
I now want to start a historical league in 1914, Babe Ruth's debut year and not missing my other personally interesting people Shoeless Joe Jackson, Ty Cobb. I have looked around a bit and I think I have the right idea, but I'm still not entirely sure about all the start-up settings. I'm going to use the GamboSpritze database. -I think I am correct in using "Neutralized stats", according to the manual (because of Gambo database). The fielding ratings/pitcher stamina 3-year period. Not entirely sure on potential rating, what's best? -My major problem: Minor Leagues. What is your advice when you start a long historical game? Should I not use any minor leagues, or use minor leagues with fictional players filling it up (but not reaching majors). I know that minor leagues back then were different, if there was any, not sure? I'm stuck on this. -What are your views on player development? I myself want to play a historical game where roughly most people have their real potential based on their real stats, but still enough room where someone could potentially fail (injury, not playing, out of luck, etc.) and not reach their full potential, or the other way around where Shoeless Joe Jackson does play for much longer where there never was a White Sox scandal. In short: a somewhat historical game but room for different outcomes. -I plan to use the expanded league based on reality. Not sure what happens if I do not "use hold expansion draft", I know what it does. -I prefer to play by being the overal GM, deciding who I want, contracts, etc. But letting the line-ups etc. mostly get done by my staff. -Finally, are the default AI settings good enough? Trade frequency etc. Thanks for taking the time reading it and hopefully answering |
09-03-2013, 08:34 AM | #2 |
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Since you're talking 100 years ago, I think the injury setting should be set to highest.
I recommend not using minors. Also, remember that Babe Ruth imports as a pitcher. This should not affect his progressing as a hitter (that bug was fixed 4 years ago IIRC) but the AI can get screwy when it comes to the Bambino. |
09-03-2013, 08:41 AM | #3 | |
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Hmm ok, in that case I should maybe start on the year that Babe Ruth turned hitter, to be on the safe side? |
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09-03-2013, 03:29 PM | #4 | |
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09-04-2013, 11:19 AM | #6 |
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- Ah I see now, I am actually trying to somewhat replicate real life more than not. But I still would like the random occurence where someone does not entirely reach their full potential. A slight randomness there. But roughly real stats.
-True, I will try both ways, see which one I think is best. I'll start with minors. - It's hard to get a grasp on things like this option for instance. I read on some other threads that player development is more like a fictional way of simulating a historical game. I don't mind things happening differently, just not too much. I still want Babe Ruth have a high chance of succeeding like he did in real. But the average stars to be either slightly below their real stats or slighty more at their peak. - I see, I will turn on "use hold expansion draft." Too much side problems there. - Perhaps I failed a little to be more precise. What I want is basically the way you describe yourself playing the game. Doing the trades myself, the contracts, and semi-managing my line-up. Mostly letting AI do it, but if I see certain things that look strange, I will enforce my vision on the line-ups. Thanks for the advice! |
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Notable players who will not make my HOF (started in 1999) Craig Biggio, 300 hits shy of 3,000. Frank Thomas, 65 HR shy of 500, Harold Baines, 2600 Hits 2846 IRL, So while all 3 of these players were still good, they are not HOF caliber. Paul Konerko, a clone of Ozzie Smith, A Clone of Rabbit Maranville & a clone of Luis Aparicio all suck in my game. The clone of Ozzie Smith had no defense ratings after 7 yrs. Now clones are different with recalc on, but many players you think will be great will be bad. Glove guys get no love in OOTP and tend to be career backups or retire after a handful of years. Some players, especially pre 1925 players tend to be better then IRL. I have seen some players, not only in my leagues, have 200 more HR then IRL, 200 more wins, pitch 400 IP when that season IRL they had 250.
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09-04-2013, 03:48 PM | #8 | |
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But otherwise, Babe Ruth always falls short. I think the split nature of his career doesn't work in the game. .400 hitters in general don't work in game, like Ty Cobb. Pre 1920 pitchers are usually insanely good if you play them in-era. Then there is Addie Joss who is insanely good any era I play him. I had him in the modern era and he was going 30-2 or 29-4 on a regular basis. I know what you mean about the defensive guys. Ozzie Smith never comes off as anything special. Some guys who regularly do well for me, roughly equating RL performance are Ted Williams (always silly awesome), Barry Bonds, Nolan Ryan, Greg Maddux (usually comes really close to RL performance). Even with low volatility there is enough randomness there is no way to keep things close, but still somewhat random. Then again I have never played with volatility below 40 so I don't know just how close you can cut it. I just know there are some players that for whatever reason their stats and ratings don't translate in game and not sure there is much you can do about it.
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09-07-2013, 01:00 AM | #9 | |
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Rose? He has made all three. My standards are different from what OOTP uses, but the results have been consitent in that I get about 30% RL HOFers in a HOF of approximately 200 players. Also, from any one OOTP HOF to another, I get a rate of about 30% for repeat entries. Having a HOF career is simply not a lock, for anyone. |
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09-07-2013, 05:41 PM | #10 | |
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For Feller minimum 275 wins and/or 3000 K.
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09-07-2013, 06:56 PM | #11 | |
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So, running 100 years of a deadball league would get you the same number of players in the HOF than if you ran the same number of teams through 100 years of Steroid Era settings. Same number of pitchers (approx) and same number of hitters (approx). These numbers would also be the same if you are playing with zero injuries and zero fatigue or very high injuries and very high fatigue. These numbers would be the same no matter what aging/development settings you use, either. As my current league is winding (running out of real players...the method could continue with fictional players, also, but I am ending it when the real guys have all been drafted) I have 75 players with 500, or more, HR. In comparison with RL, this 500 number does not mean the same thing. 650 HR is the number that is the "500 HR" for this league. Anyone with 650 HR, who is eligible, is in the HOF. There are 25 players with 650 HR, in their career. A corresponding number to 3000 hits would be about 2775. For pitchers, 250 wins in my league is considered a feat similar to what 300 is IRL. 4000 strikeouts in my current league is like 3000 IRL. When I started this league, I had no idea what these numbers would look like. I didn't know if 2775 hits would be like 3000 or if 3775 hits would be like 3000. When Pete Rose retired he was the all time hit leader. The HOF didn't come to be until 17 years after he played his last. 10 years later, he was inducted. He was 25th on the career list at that time, with 2442 hits and a .324 career batting average. Feller was 207-144 with 4322 strikeouts in 3186.2 IP. He entered the HOF 10th on the career K/9 list. 25 seasons later, he ranks 13th on that list and also 13th on the career K list. At this point in time, 47 pitchers have been inducted to go along with 112 hitters. |
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09-09-2013, 02:50 PM | #12 |
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In my 1977 start league, in 1980 Pete Rose signed with the Mariners.
And somewhere had become a catcher. A terrible catcher. Go figure. (He was still a good hitter! Made the All-Star team as a catcher...) |
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