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10-07-2018, 12:31 PM | #1 |
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Trade AI
I haven't bought the game, so that's why I'm asking.
How is the trade engine in everyone's opinion so far? |
10-07-2018, 02:03 PM | #2 |
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Better than last year.
Still far from perfect. Coding trade AI to be realistic, I've been told, is like the holy grail of manager sims. When I play, i actually change the "Trade Frequency" down to "5" most of the time. I turn it up to about "40" the week before the trading deadline and the week before the entry draft. Works well for me. I'd like to see the game mimic real-life trading frequency (more deals at certain times of year) without having to push a slider.
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10-07-2018, 02:03 PM | #3 |
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Largely very good, but it's worth playing in commisioner mode for the one oddball lopsided deal that happens every couple years.
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10-08-2018, 08:03 AM | #4 |
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Can you make those changes in Challenge Mode?
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10-08-2018, 08:54 AM | #5 |
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10-08-2018, 09:07 AM | #6 |
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Thanks. That's what I thought.
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10-08-2018, 11:59 AM | #7 |
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Improved over FHM4, that's for sure. It feels more realistic to me, so far.
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10-09-2018, 02:59 PM | #8 |
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If FHM4 got a 2 out of 10, this gets 3 out of 10 from me. it is improved but only slightly. I do understand that it is next to impossible to please people on this front and a certain code/rule has to be applied
I still like the game and enjoy playing it... I'm starting year 3 with the Pens and I already have Laine, Boeser, Barkov, Provorov, Rantanen, Matthew Tkachuk, Klingberg, Lindholm and Lowry on the team all through trades. Gone are Schulz, Maata, Dumolin, Jarry, Olesiak, Rust, Brassard, Sheenan, and in the last off season Letang & Malkin both aged 33... I don't have a large prospect pool left, but in fairness with that talent on the team not many will have a chance for a top 6 spot on O or top 4 on D... Some free agent/resignings are very realistic ( Hall 10.5mil/ 6years NJ Devils, Holtby 9.5mil/6 years to Blues ) and then you get Pietrangelo for 3 years on 4.7mil a year ( at 30 years ) and it feels like you are back to the beginning.... The bridge contracts are a massive disappointment to me for established star players (Matthews, Laine, Provorov) when in real life you get an Ehlers or Pastrnak on long term deals for top dollar. ( I do get that there is a hard cap in the game, shouldn't matter too much for those guys ) The fact that there is no buyers and sellers at the deadline is what i'm missing most... rental players, aging guys chasing the cup... The Limited NTC is good but it would be nice to know what teams will your player be willing to go to rather than clicking through everyone of them just for 1 or 2 where you don't get the "player is using his no trade clause" pop up. It would be cool if the draft actually stopped and a trade was announced rather than get a few news reports after it. I only came across one unrealistic trade in the 2 years and that was Buffalo sending Dahlin after only 5 months to the Panthers for a 2nd rounder (i'm really just ragging that i didn't do the trade myself :-) ) |
10-10-2018, 12:19 PM | #9 |
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...I've simmed 5 seasons in commissioner mode now and NOT one 1st round pick has been traded in the NHL...everything is great, except the trade AI which is a real game breaker for me.
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10-10-2018, 01:32 PM | #10 | |
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As i´m your dynasty thread i can tell you: 1) stacking the team as you did it doesn´t guarantee cups, which you already learned in season 2 2) The Pietrangelo deal isn´t thaaaat bad as the cap is STATIC and therefore if players would demand real life (like Nylander living in Fantasyland and demanding around 8mil per anum) salaries, every team woluld hit a cap crunch within 2 seasons 3) If your current roster players develop relatively normal, there´s no chance to keep it together in the next 2-3 years - during intensive Beta testing none of Provorov, Barkov, Laine, Rabtanen signed below 7-8 mil/y in their prime A good trade engine is also one the major points for myself but 3/10 is too low. Compared to the earlier iterations of the game i´d give FHM5 a 5-6/10. It still has a long way to go regarding trade AI, contracts, retaining salary, etc. but they´re on a good way imho.
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Just curious - do you also play OOTP Baseball? If yes, how´s the quality of the trade engine there?
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10-10-2018, 02:02 PM | #12 |
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The trade engine in OOTP baseball is amazing actually. You have so many options in that game it's crazy. OOTP is so good it's ruined me to all other sport sim games because none of them compare. If FHM 5 was as good as OOTP i would pay hundreds of dollars for it since hockey is my favorite sport by far. If you've never played it Duranium i highly recommend it. It has a bit of a learning curve but once you figure everything out it's amazing.
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Based on your reply i´d buy it in a heartbeat, lol. The problem is - Baseball is the one sport from across the ocean that never got me, that means i don´t have a f....g clue about the rules, etc. The one thing i know is you have to get your runners back home while reaching the bases. Seriously, that´s all i know
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That said, I DO police myself with deals. For example: in my Phillies dynasty (shameless plug) I made a deal with the Red Sox for Mookie Betts when they found themselves a good number of games out of first place and the wild card. Personally, I didnt think they asked for nearly enough, so I threw a prospect into the deal to balance things out. To put it all in hockey terms, if FHM5 Peter Chiarelli offered me a lopsided deal, I might accept it on sight. If David Poile or Glen Sather offered me the same deal, I might throw a guy in to make it "lore friendly."
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I´m doing the throw-ins as well except when trading with Flyers, Caps & Rangers - as a Pens fan i wouldn´t give them a free glass of water even if they were on fire, it´s just not possible
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10-17-2018, 10:53 AM | #20 |
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Some of the trades TK43 posted in his Penguins dynasty, and some of the deals he told us about in his Oiler dynasty have me thinking the AI isn't good enough this year.
For the player to go out and acquire young stars for futures that don't in hopes that those futures one day will add up to what they give up make no sense. When you run a team, you want to be able to acquire Laines, Rantanens, Marners, Provorovs. But for me, i don't want to feel like im taking advantage of the CPU. After what I've seen, i can't say that. I understand the developers are doing their best, and won't stop improving, so take this as constructive criticism. It's not good enough yet. I, for one, can't get a game where i feel like I'm that much superior to the AI. |
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