I noticed something when upgrading players - Page 3

Findest2001 · 05-29-2019, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Well, I put my new perfect Boggs in and he went 0-4 in his first game. So I guess the OP is right here. I should probably sell the card quick.

You can't have my stuff anymore

JK
Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria

Eric · 05-29-2019, 09:48 AM

Wow. Somebody changing their viewpoint in an online thread. That’s rarer than pulling a Perfect card.

Kushiel · 05-29-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Argonaut

Ironically, this too is an error that multiple people make.

There was never any common held belief that the earth was flat, at least since the time of the Ancient Greeks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

I saw some dumb movie that Columbus was trying to explain to people and prove that the earth was round. Boy did that ever grind my gears.

BTW, in terms of this thread... I've also seen lots of cards put up big numbers in the first few games after adding them. So it all evens out.

I do not argue your premise one way or the other but your citation is worthless. Wikipedia is not a credible source for any term paper or scientific study. Wikipedia states this themselves. stating the reason. It can be changed by anyone. A better citation would be
https://www.loc.gov/collections/find...-and-cosmology

Argonaut · 05-29-2019, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

I do not argue your premise one way or the other but your citation is worthless. Wikipedia is not a credible source for any term paper or scientific study. Wikipedia states this themselves. stating the reason. It can be changed by anyone.

Believe me, I know you don't cite Wikipedia in an academic paper or something. But it's perfectly fine to link it to introduce a topic or idea.

Here's Atlas holding up the earth from the 2nd Century if you want more.

Sorry for sidetracking this thread, but I feel it's my own personal crusade to stop people from thinking that our civilization ever thought the world was flat.

Kushiel · 05-29-2019, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Argonaut

Believe me, I know you don't cite Wikipedia in an academic paper or something. But it's perfectly fine to link it to introduce a topic or idea.

Here's Atlas holding up the earth from the 2nd Century if you want more.

Sorry for sidetracking this thread, but I feel it's my own personal crusade to stop people from thinking that our civilization ever thought the world was flat.

I added a better citation from the Library of Congress, I understand your crusade; but being married to a school marm Wiki citation is one of mine.

Charlatan · 05-29-2019, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kushiel

...being married to a school marm wiki citation...

phrasing!

Findest2001 · 05-29-2019, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

phrasing!

Objection! Leading the witness on direct examination!

Orcin · 05-29-2019, 01:02 PM

I had no idea that flat Earth deniers were such a hot topic. You would think that I had brought up climate change.

Orcin · 05-29-2019, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Well, I put my new perfect Boggs in and he went 0-4 in his first game. So I guess the OP is right here. I should probably sell the card quick.

Glad I didn't sell... after 15 games, his slash line is .379/.425/.515.

Charlatan · 05-29-2019, 01:41 PM

Wade Boggs started hitting.... who'd a thunk it????

Findest2001 · 05-29-2019, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

I had no idea that flat Earth deniers were such a hot topic. You would think that I had brought up climate change.

Or abortion or religion or politics or *head explodes*

<Pion> · 05-29-2019, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Findest2001

I finally bought a diamond Kiner, and he performed well in the first few games, so hopefully it has merely been an aberration. I mainly posted the thread because what I was noticing is that somewhere around the 75OVR mark there was a clear divide. Above that line they would play terrible (and I mean God-awful, doubling their average would almost get them to the Mendoza line, dumpster-fire terrible) for 20-ish games, and below that line they would play like the golds and diamonds should. Granted, they eventually reverted to the mean, but initially it was causing me to jump ship on investments early. They were so bad the one player was actually causing losing streaks.
Nonetheless, hopefully the Kiner will stop the streak so to speak. All I can do is keep my eyes open to confirm it was just a strange, random chance kind of thing.

Maybe the problem is buying players like Kiner. There are 2 bronze and 19 silver players offensively better than Kiner not to mention all the golds which I'm not counting.

joehart · 05-30-2019, 01:52 AM

As I mentioned a while ago too, there are lots and lots of lower level pitchers (going all the way to Bronze and Silver) that take the strength away from Kiner (and similar players). So any investment into players with no contact and high strikeout rate is likely to produce lots of ups and downs throughout the season (like 0-10 hitting).

Mat · 05-30-2019, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by <Pion>

Maybe the problem is buying players like Kiner. There are 2 bronze and 19 silver players offensively better than Kiner not to mention all the golds which I'm not counting.

What?? I should pay attention to more than just overall rating???

fredbeene · 05-31-2019, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Do you realize that at one time everyone agreed that the Earth was flat? Hearing the same thing over and over does not make it true. It just means that multiple people are making the same error.

when i see 6 teams with larry dierker in my league (BZ) he is G83, and he is leading in wins and era and Ks on 5 of the 6 teams in a league with higher golds and diamonds, then YES something is up

KWhit · 06-08-2019, 10:43 PM

I added 84 OVR Al Kaline last night. In his first 11 starts he's batting .419, with 4 HR, 1.267 OPS, and 243 OPS+.

He scored a run in his first 9 games. I'd say he's off to a pretty good start in the Diamond League.

Findest2001 · 06-09-2019, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I added 84 OVR Al Kaline last night. In his first 11 starts he's batting .419, with 4 HR, 1.267 OPS, and 243 OPS+.

He scored a run in his first 9 games. I'd say he's off to a pretty good start in the Diamond League.

I added diamond betts in bronze league his first 33 games were .179/.215/.297, -.3WAR, OPS+ of 31. Diamond Betts. In Bronze...
I'm used to it by now but seriously it's bronze league. * Sigh*

05-30-2019, 01:52 AM	#53
joehart All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,131	As I mentioned a while ago too, there are lots and lots of lower level pitchers (going all the way to Bronze and Silver) that take the strength away from Kiner (and similar players). So any investment into players with no contact and high strikeout rate is likely to produce lots of ups and downs throughout the season (like 0-10 hitting). __________________

06-08-2019, 10:43 PM	#56
KWhit Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413	I added 84 OVR Al Kaline last night. In his first 11 starts he's batting .419, with 4 HR, 1.267 OPS, and 243 OPS+. He scored a run in his first 9 games. I'd say he's off to a pretty good start in the Diamond League. __________________

05-29-2019, 09:48 AM	#42
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,233	Wow. Somebody changing their viewpoint in an online thread. That’s rarer than pulling a Perfect card.

05-29-2019, 01:02 PM	#48
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	I had no idea that flat Earth deniers were such a hot topic. You would think that I had brought up climate change.

05-29-2019, 01:41 PM	#50
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	Wade Boggs started hitting.... who'd a thunk it????