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Old 05-02-2019, 12:15 PM   #1
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I'm confused - looking for clarification

Below are two relief pitchers. The "45 Pitcher" is rated OVR 78 and the "73 Pitcher" OVR 85. Both are LIVE cards 2019. I've purposely not shown their names.

Can anyone explain why a defensive rating diff results in a 7 point OVR difference??
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Old 05-02-2019, 12:20 PM   #2
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Below are two relief pitchers. The "45 Pitcher" is rated OVR 78 and the "73 Pitcher" OVR 85. Both are LIVE cards 2019. I've purposely not shown their names.

Can anyone explain why a defensive rating diff results in a 7 point OVR difference??

The OVR 85 pitcher has two very strong pitches (a 97 and 118 compared to a 66 and 98) - maybe that matters? In fact, I keep wanting to ask, what exactly is the effect of their pitches and the ratings for them? Anyone know? The manual says "Higher individual pitch ratings mean a higher likelihood of getting hitters out." so that's all I know at this point.

Edit: What I'd like to know is just how much do those individual pitch ratings matter. If two guys have identical stuff, movement and control ratings, but differ in individual pitch ratings, how much better can the one with better pitch ratings be at getting guys out? Maybe I've not been paying enough attention to these ratings?
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Old 05-02-2019, 12:25 PM   #3
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The 45 pitcher seems to have a weakness against lefties too.
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Old 05-02-2019, 12:26 PM   #4
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Their movement and control ratings differ as well. And their velocity. Etc. I'm not sure why you're only focused on their defense ratings differences.
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Old 05-02-2019, 12:29 PM   #5
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10 mph difference in velocity is nothing to sneeze at
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Old 05-02-2019, 12:33 PM   #6
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Their movement and control ratings differ as well. And their velocity. Etc. I'm not sure why you're only focused on their defense ratings differences.

Oh yeah, somehow I missed the difference in control ratings.
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10 mph difference in velocity is nothing to sneeze at

But velocity is factored into the individual pitch ratings and the stuff rating already (according to the manual) so looking at that would not seem to help (unless I'm missing something?).
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Although the ratings aren't exactly the same, the various differences seem to be balanced out with each other to a point. The 2nd player is a bit better - but it's just hard to see why it's a 7 point difference. I can come up with many examples of the same OVR rating that vary more than these two do.
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Old 05-02-2019, 01:03 PM   #9
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The first pitcher is very bad against lefties while the second one is more well rounded and can play against all batters. the second one is also a bit better at holding runners.

I think the first is only useful as a specialsit against righties or he will get killed by lefties in higher leagues.
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Would it be possible to edit a player in the regular game and see if the overall rating can be replicated? If so, then one can tweak different variables to see what impacts the overall rating the most.
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10 mph difference in velocity is nothing to sneeze at
I've always assumed that was purely cosmetic in the OOTP/PT world. Haven't seen evidence yet to the contrary, but maybe it causes changes to other ratings (stuff) which are in the end used to evaluate a pitcher.
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Yeah I am also confused by this one. I would think 10 points of control is worth far more than defensive ability, and also thought that velocity was only important insofar as how it relates to "stuff".
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Yeah I am also confused by this one. I would think 10 points of control is worth far more than defensive ability, and also thought that velocity was only important insofar as how it relates to "stuff".

According to the manual, velocity also relates to certain pitch ratings, like fastball ratings.
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right - which, in turn, inform the Stuff rating. Or at least, that's always how I thought it worked...
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Wow I'm surprised the difference isn't greater...

Much better velocity, fastball as part of the arsenal, better movement, better control, better stuff....
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yep. the fielding ratings are not making the difference. 10 mph in velocity and much inferior pitches are.
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:38 PM   #17
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is velocity inherently better though? Velocity is only important in that it helps make it easier to strike people out. But these two pitchers have identical "stuff" rating which suggests a similar strikeout ability.

And to everyone saying it's control...you're reversing it. The player with WORSE control by 10 points has the higher rating here.

My best guess would be that relievers have a special adjustment to their overall rating based purely on their fastball.
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And to everyone saying it's control...you're reversing it. The player with WORSE control by 10 points has the higher rating here.

Wow, how did I not notice that?
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Well one HUGE problem I see here is that the first pitcher listed is Darren O'Day, and he's actually the pitcher rated 85 overall. So this thread might be pointless.

The other pitcher is 78 Cody Allen. You got it reversed, OP.

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lmao. That makes me feel better though about understanding the ratings.
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