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Old 03-14-2019, 03:09 PM   #21
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Just saw something else that was new on MLB Network. So i get 26 man rosters but would that extra player most likely be a reliever?
Also said teams must carry 28 players after September 1st. So no more 40 man rosters after September 1st? So team only get to call up 2 more players? i think i am misunderstanding it.
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Just saw something else that was new on MLB Network. So i get 26 man rosters but would that extra player most likely be a reliever?
Also said teams must carry 28 players after September 1st. So no more 40 man rosters after September 1st? So team only get to call up 2 more players? i think i am misunderstanding it.
Yes the active roster will become 28 on Sept 1st, so you can only call up 2 more players correct.

What it doesn't say if the 40 man will still exist as something else? I mean teams still need to protect against rule 5 draft.

So perhaps something like 26 man roster, 28 man expanded roster, and still 40 man protected roster.
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Yes the active roster will become 28 on Sept 1st, so you can only call up 2 more players correct.

What it doesn't say if the 40 man will still exist as something else? I mean teams still need to protect against rule 5 draft.

So perhaps something like 26 man roster, 28 man expanded roster, and still 40 man protected roster.
I would assume the 40-man rule is still around for Rule 5, etc. Dropping that to 28 would be gigantic change that people would note.

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Thank God we are not going to have that annoying 30 second clock this year!..
I've been to several MiLB games over the past few seasons and have honestly never noticed it. The pitchers adjust and it just doesn't come up.

The truly dumb change they keep testing is the "runner on 2nd in extra innings" one.

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Yes the active roster will become 28 on Sept 1st, so you can only call up 2 more players correct.

What it doesn't say if the 40 man will still exist as something else? I mean teams still need to protect against rule 5 draft.

So perhaps something like 26 man roster, 28 man expanded roster, and still 40 man protected roster.
The 40-man roster size is not being changed. It's only the active roster size (which has been changed before). Do note that for certain doubleheaders the extra man rule is still in effect, meaning that the active roster size for those doubleheaders will be 27. (OOTP does not recreate the expanded roster size for doubleheaders.)
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The 40-man roster size is not being changed. It's only the active roster size (which has been changed before). Do note that for certain doubleheaders the extra man rule is still in effect, meaning that the active roster size for those doubleheaders will be 27. (OOTP does not recreate the expanded roster size for doubleheaders.)
Yeah I just take rain delays out for every league in my universe. Often you really need that extra arm.

I know some teams are going 13 pitchers this year. I wonder with 26 next year will anyone go 14 pitchers? And basically have 9 RP that can go 1 inning 4-5 times a week.

I know Reds are doing the utility player/relief pitcher thing this year. Not sure how common that can be.

But it might catch on. I mean many star High School players are often the starting pitcher, SS or CF or 2B too.

Only thing I really don't like is the 3 batter minimum because it was the commissioner officer circumventing the CBA with special commish powers. And its only for time saving. 1 or 2 batter pitchers are already at an all time low.
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10 day DL is a rule change for 2020 its going back to 15.

But the stats and evidence point to the LOOGY demise that's why the 3 batter min is pointless. The amount of relievers used is going up on the same line as strikeout increased.

With teams carrying 13 pitchers (ootp trend?) they only need 5-6 innings from a starter. Then its a bunch of 1 inning pitchers who can pitch 4-5 out of 7 days.

So not sure what this 3 batter minimum is suppose to fix. Time? what does it shave off 15 minutes of game time? Makes no sense.If they want to shave off time just make ever ump wired to each other and to a film booth and all have smart devices tablets bluetooth . Have drones and sensors everywhere. Cleats, uniforms, hats, bats, balls, bases, foul poles and gloves.

No more arguing. Instant results for everything. Just go full tech. I bet you could shave off 30-45 minutes.

I don't really think they need to shave off time or even worry about it. MLB brain trust thinks length of games is messing with their bottom dollar. It's not game length. Its that there isn't 1 player besides Harper who has any personality in all of the MLB.

If Harper would have signed anywhere else besides the rabid fan base of Philly no way his Jersey goes to #1 of all time beating Lebron. And sold something like 10 million dollars in tickets in 2 or 3 days. Is starting to be covered by more media then just baseball writers too.

Besides baseball media no one covers baseball players. Every type of media covers the NFL and NBA players. Grandmothers know who Lebron, Steph Curry and Tom Brady are.If you don't have die hard baseball fans they couldn't name the top 5-10 players. Or maybe even name 5-10 players not playing for their home team.
They are trying to keep the games moving along and yes 15 minutes is a big deal in the MLBs mind. Millenials cant keep their attention on anything more than a few minutes and MLB is trying their best to attract new younger fans.

Also I believe one change was for shorter commercial breaks
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Of the new rules, most of them are neither here nor there for me (All-star voting, Home Run Derby, Inning breaks (though I won't mind watching fewer commercials), 15-day IL, even the Trade deadline). However, there are three rule changes that I think are detrimental to the game:

1) Limiting mound visits. I was against this when it started, and I'm still against it. Limiting visits to the mound is ridiculous unless you're going to give players earpieces and mics (which isn't a bad idea, and it seems to work well enough in Spring Training for broadcasts).

2) Active Roster Provisions: I lump these together because MLB did, but they are not all equal. There is nothing wrong with an expansion to 26-man rosters, and I think that actually helps the game - more players means more ML jobs and better-rested players, which helps limit injuries and end-of-season exhaustion. However, decreasing the September rosters actually does hurt the game, because it limits the number of prospects or fringe players who get perhaps their one shot at the big leagues. On top of that, limiting the number of pitchers a team can carry, then forcing teams to designate players as pitchers or position players, is just dumb. What exactly is the point here?

3) Three-batter minimum: This is the worst. It actually might make me lose some interest in watching baseball, especially if it succeeds in making the pace of play faster. Baseball is supposed to be a slower game. It's a pastime, a game you can watch with your family and actually have a conversation without having to be glued to a screen for three hours. On top of that, it takes away jobs from those specialists who are lefty or righty specialists - no team is going to carry somebody like that if they can't be used in that role. Finally, it decreases the manager's role in the game by removing from him options.

Baseball works just fine the way it is. I wish Manfred would quit fooling with it. Wouldn't mind him being replaced as commissioner, either. It's not like he's done anything good while he's been in office. Just my two cents.
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I would assume the 40-man rule is still around for Rule 5, etc. Dropping that to 28 would be gigantic change that people would note.

I've been to several MiLB games over the past few seasons and have honestly never noticed it. The pitchers adjust and it just doesn't come up.

The truly dumb change they keep testing is the "runner on 2nd in extra innings" one.
1) I would assume thats going to stay, 40 man rosters.

2) What about picking up wherever a team left off last inning in extras? For example, if a team gets their 3rd out with a man on first, they start their next ABs with that guy back on first. Always starting with a man on first is dumb because the away team could go 4 ABs getting him to third and then nothing, meanwhile the home team could strike out 11 straight times and then walk it off on the 12th AB and win.

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Yeah I just take rain delays out for every league in my universe. Often you really need that extra arm.

I know some teams are going 13 pitchers this year. I wonder with 26 next year will anyone go 14 pitchers? And basically have 9 RP that can go 1 inning 4-5 times a week.

I know Reds are doing the utility player/relief pitcher thing this year. Not sure how common that can be.

But it might catch on. I mean many star High School players are often the starting pitcher, SS or CF or 2B too.

Only thing I really don't like is the 3 batter minimum because it was the commissioner officer circumventing the CBA with special commish powers. And its only for time saving. 1 or 2 batter pitchers are already at an all time low.
1) Im surprised teams havent REALLY gone the whole bullpenning route, with having like, 3 starters that go 2-3 innings and then having a crap ton of relievers that finish the rest of the game, and doing that the whole season.

2) It will be so difficult to police, it will be almost exactly like football where a player fakes an injury to give his team an extra timeout. And "saving time" is a whole different story.

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They are trying to keep the games moving along and yes 15 minutes is a big deal in the MLBs mind. Millenials cant keep their attention on anything more than a few minutes and MLB is trying their best to attract new younger fans.

Also I believe one change was for shorter commercial breaks
Shorter commercials I can definitely get behind. But making games shorter just makes a $20 ticket that much more expensive when you really think about it. And those millennials that dont like baseball dont like it because of the entire nature of the game, not because "it takes too long."

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Of the new rules, most of them are neither here nor there for me (All-star voting, Home Run Derby, Inning breaks (though I won't mind watching fewer commercials), 15-day IL, even the Trade deadline). However, there are three rule changes that I think are detrimental to the game:

1) Limiting mound visits. I was against this when it started, and I'm still against it. Limiting visits to the mound is ridiculous unless you're going to give players earpieces and mics (which isn't a bad idea, and it seems to work well enough in Spring Training for broadcasts).

2) Active Roster Provisions: I lump these together because MLB did, but they are not all equal. There is nothing wrong with an expansion to 26-man rosters, and I think that actually helps the game - more players means more ML jobs and better-rested players, which helps limit injuries and end-of-season exhaustion. However, decreasing the September rosters actually does hurt the game, because it limits the number of prospects or fringe players who get perhaps their one shot at the big leagues. On top of that, limiting the number of pitchers a team can carry, then forcing teams to designate players as pitchers or position players, is just dumb. What exactly is the point here?

3) Three-batter minimum: This is the worst. It actually might make me lose some interest in watching baseball, especially if it succeeds in making the pace of play faster. Baseball is supposed to be a slower game. It's a pastime, a game you can watch with your family and actually have a conversation without having to be glued to a screen for three hours. On top of that, it takes away jobs from those specialists who are lefty or righty specialists - no team is going to carry somebody like that if they can't be used in that role. Finally, it decreases the manager's role in the game by removing from him options.

Baseball works just fine the way it is. I wish Manfred would quit fooling with it. Wouldn't mind him being replaced as commissioner, either. It's not like he's done anything good while he's been in office. Just my two cents.
1) What will stop teams fro having a position player from taking the ball to prevent any runner from advancing and everyone else running to huddle up next to the manager at the dugout entrance? The manager isnt on the field and they arent at the mound...

2) I agree, the 40 man extended roster would work just fine considering they now have the 3 batter minimum. Its just total overkill.

3) Yeah, nobody really knows what tf theyre doing. Manfred is becoming Brian France, ruining their sport with completely unnecessary rule changes.
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The 2 way player rule is weird.

26 man... Guess that will mean nl dh will be incoming.
Ohtani wont be able to be a 2-way player, since he's not pitching this year.
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26 man is fine because of extra innings but 40 is still needed in September for lots of reasons.
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https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1734985

Will there be an option to have this implemented in OOTP 20? Not sure if this was something that could already be done in 19.

*Update*. Since posting this there now seems to be vast rule changes. Most occurring in 2020,but one that stands out this year is the all Star election day. the game is close to being released so not sure if this will come the way of a patch or be implemented in ootp 2021. Lots to work on for sure.
Increasing the roster size to 26 from 25 is significant.
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26 man is fine because of extra innings but 40 is still needed in September for lots of reasons.
Such as?
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Player development, for one thing.
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Can't wait to see you guys implement "faking injury" ratings.

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26 man is fine because of extra innings but 40 is still needed in September for lots of reasons.


It’s not needed...and it upends the competitive balance of the league. Some teams are tanking a treating September as a “second spring training” while other teams are in a serious pennant race.
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It’s not needed...and it upends the competitive balance of the league. Some teams are tanking a treating September as a “second spring training” while other teams are in a serious pennant race.
Yeah, I'd rather see a system where for the whole season, you designate 20 or 21 active players for a game, with a 5 or 6 man "healthy scratch" like NHL (which would usually be the last few starters,and maybe you have some sort of "emergency roster" to unlock another one or two players for extra innings).

Then in September, the taxi squad can still rise to 40, but you still have the same 20 or 22 active per game. More guys means you don't have to worry about tired arms any game, but both sides are at least always playing with an equal number of players, and the actual rules of the game don't change at any point in the season.
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The change no one has discussed here yet is the one resulting in pitchers having to spend 15 days in the minors on option before they can be recalled whereas position players will continue to have a 10-day limit. That's an interesting change, given how it interacts with the provision in the CBA which states any player spending less than 20 days on option during a season isn't charged an option.

Two full stints on option under the 10-day limit means the player will expend an option year. But now there is a 15-day limit. The math of that does not coincide well with the CBA provision. I wonder if perhaps the minimum number of days to expend an option will be raised for pitchers to less than 30 days.


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For the purposes the rule was adopted in the minor leagues last year — reducing game lengths in extra inning affairs — it apparently was a big success.


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Increasing the roster size to 26 from 25 is significant.
For a very long time it has been 25 players on the active roster and 15 on option to the minors. Now that ratio is changing to 26 and 14. That's one less player on option to develop. I wonder if there'll be discussions to increase the reserve limit to 41 so as to allow 15 players on option again.
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You're not going to get millennials to watch by cutting a minute here and a minute there. The only sports I know of getting growth due to millennials are soccer and MMA. Football is even losing viewers.
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I definitely feel that the 3-batter minimum is going to be abused in the same way that the 10-day DL is being abused by the Dodgers. How many times will a lefty come in to face Blackmon only to suddenly have a "sore arm" when Story/Arenado are due up?

You can't force them into a DL stay for those. The best you could do would be to charge a team with one of their mound visits, and the league would have to come in hard to prevent any sort of tampering on the rules.

To me, it spoils things too much. Honestly, even just going to staying for 2 batters would effectively get rid of the LOOGY, and prevent a lot of mid-inning changes. Or if you want to prevent mid-inning changes, just go all the way - count any mid-inning pitching change as a "mound visit" under the current rules, and there's your limit. You now have 5 mound visits and/or mid-inning pitching changes per game, and that's it. Teams would have to think very carefully about doing 2 or 3 changes in an inning, but they still can be as strategic as necessary.
Yes, the Dodgers were guilty of using the 10 day DL to manipulate their pitching staff, but hardly the only team that did it. And any team was free to use this particular loophole, not like the rule was there only for them to abuse.
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Ohtani wont be able to be a 2-way player, since he's not pitching this year.
The Angels will designate him as a pitcher in 2020, which would allow him to DH or play a position when he isn't on the mound.

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