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Old 10-24-2019, 06:41 PM   #1
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So I'm almost 50. I've been watching baseball games since the mid '70's. Now I will admit that my ability to watch MLB games over the past five years has been diminished due to me now living in Costa Rica. So extremely new trends may be a bit unfamiliar to me but other than that, the thousands of games I've watched in my lifetime give me a pretty good understanding of standard baseball strategy. And as for OOTP, I find that it has done a beter job than any other baseball sim in being able to recreate those strategies, even within the context of their historical accuracy. However, there is one strategy that seems to be missing.

How does one set a strategy such that the AI will pinch hit for your platoon players in the 6th or later when behind or tied with the corresponding player he platoons with? Maybe this isn't something that happens anymore but I'm pretty sure that when Earl Weaver platooned guys like Gary Roenicke and John Lowenstein, he was pretty quick to pinch hit with whichever guy didn't start whenever the starter had to face a pitcher of the same hand as the batter. How does one do this in OOTP? How does one get the AI to recognize a simple lefty/righty platoon system? Does this not happen anymore in MLB? Don't teams like the RedSox who I'm pretty sure have used a platoon system at first base with Moreland and a righty (Pearce, Ramirez, etc), still pinch hit for Moreland late in games when he's facing a lefty? How does one tell the AI to always, or at least try to always, pinch hit for your lefty platoon guy when he's facing a lefty reliever late in a close ball game?
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Adjust the sliders in general team strategy (later innings) to favor L/R matchup? Plus choose a bench coach who favors L/R strategy? I've not been able to sort out how to designate a guy as a LOOGY pinch hitter, though, except via the above options. PS I am 3 months from 50 also. Isn't joint pain lovely?!?
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Adjust the sliders in general team strategy (later innings) to favor L/R matchup? Plus choose a bench coach who favors L/R strategy? I've not been able to sort out how to designate a guy as a LOOGY pinch hitter, though, except via the above options. PS I am 3 months from 50 also. Isn't joint pain lovely?!?
I have the L/R slider at max. I wish I could designate certain players, such as a shortstop that is a defensive wiz but can't hit, to be pinch hit for late in games when behind as a default position. It almost seems to me that the AI logic behind pinch hitting only looks at the current hitter compared to the bench without looking at the entire lineup. Thus I will often see the AI pinch hit for my number six or seven guy in the lineup and then let the number nine guy hit because there isn't a good bench bat left. The optimal choice would be to let the first guy hit and leave your one good bench bat for the number nine hitter but the AI doesn't seem to plan ahead at all.

As for joint pain, I have found a lot of relief from vaping pure CBD oil. I went from using close to 200 Mg/day of codeine down to just 50 Mg/day coupled with vaping as needed. Apparently CBD oil can greatly reduce inflammation throughout the body and since it contains zero THC, there is no risk of being "high" or having your urine test "dirty". I'd look into it if legal where you live.
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I think, probably because the research they do shows that the majority of players start from the most current season, OOTP puts less (I'd say too little) time into strategies that were popular in the past, even when that means "not that long ago."

I even get too few platoons among who starts despite that in lineup selection I have "sabermetric (splits favored)" chosen, such that the key factor in choosing a lineup vs. righties should be how well a player hits righties above overall hitting skill. And I have 27 man rosters so even with extra pitchers as in modern day there are a fair number of slots on the roster for platoon partners.

Strict platoons are less common this decade in real life than ever because teams carry fewer hitters and more pitchers, a large difference in that from even 20-30 years ago.

But among the long list of league strategy settings there should be a setting for platooning that would be "least" in modern day (which doesn't mean never, but it's a lot less common than it was through most of baseball history), and maybe also for managers (who I think the L/R preference in manager sliders is much more, maybe exclusively, about pitcher use).

Those settings, along with the number of unused batters on a roster, should determine the chance of pinch hitting for someone with their platoon partner, and if playing anytime starting when platooning started becoming popular (I don't know when in baseball history, exactly) until the time teams carrying so few batters to have room for more pitchers made strict platoons hard to manage, or at least importing strategy from those times, should lead to more strict platoons, how often depending on the manager's preference for platooning.
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I think, probably because the research they do shows that the majority of players start from the most current season, OOTP puts less (I'd say too little) time into strategies that were popular in the past, even when that means "not that long ago."

I even get too few platoons among who starts despite that in lineup selection I have "sabermetric (splits favored)" chosen, such that the key factor in choosing a lineup vs. righties should be how well a player hits righties above overall hitting skill. And I have 27 man rosters so even with extra pitchers as in modern day there are a fair number of slots on the roster for platoon partners.

Strict platoons are less common this decade in real life than ever because teams carry fewer hitters and more pitchers, a large difference in that from even 20-30 years ago.

But among the long list of league strategy settings there should be a setting for platooning that would be "least" in modern day (which doesn't mean never, but it's a lot less common than it was through most of baseball history), and maybe also for managers (who I think the L/R preference in manager sliders is much more, maybe exclusively, about pitcher use).

Those settings, along with the number of unused batters on a roster, should determine the chance of pinch hitting for someone with their platoon partner, and if playing anytime starting when platooning started becoming popular (I don't know when in baseball history, exactly) until the time teams carrying so few batters to have room for more pitchers made strict platoons hard to manage, or at least importing strategy from those times, should lead to more strict platoons, how often depending on the manager's preference for platooning.
Didn't the Red Sox and especially the Dodgers use platoons as standard strategy in 2018? I remember it being a big deal that LA wasn't starting their lefties against Sale and Price in that WS. And Boston certainly have used Moreland in a platoon with different right handers at first base for the last three years. The strategy is still employed.
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Didn't the Red Sox and especially the Dodgers use platoons as standard strategy in 2018? I remember it being a big deal that LA wasn't starting their lefties against Sale and Price in that WS. And Boston certainly have used Moreland in a platoon with different right handers at first base for the last three years. The strategy is still employed.
I said less than ever before (since the strategy began), but specifially said not "never."
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I said less than ever before (since the strategy began), but specifially said not "never."
Well I'm not sure I agree with that statement either.

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Platooning decreased in frequency from the late 1980s through the 1990s, as teams expanded their bullpens to nullify platoon advantages for hitters.[7] However, the use of platoons has increased in recent years. As teams increase their analysis of data, they attempt to put batters and pitchers in situations where they are more likely to succeed. Generally, small market teams, which cannot afford to sign the league's best players to market-value contracts, are most likely to employ platoons. Under manager Bob Melvin, the Athletics have employed many platoons,[21] with Josh Reddick calling Melvin the "king of platoons".[22] Joe Maddon began to employ platoons as manager of the Tampa Bay Rays.[23][24]

The 2013 World Series champion Boston Red Sox platooned Jonny Gomes and Daniel Nava in left field.[10] After the 2013 season, left-handed relief pitchers Boone Logan and Javier López, both considered left-handed specialists because of their ability to limit the effectiveness of left-handed batters, signed multimillion-dollar contracts as free agents.[25]
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Well I'm not sure I agree with that statement either.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platoon_system
Quoting from that artcile, this is the kind of thing that can no longer be done because teams in 2019 have too few position players to make it work:

"The Orioles continued to platoon at catcher and all three outfield positions in 1983 under Joe Altobelli, as the Orioles won the 1983 World Series, leading other teams to pursue the strategy."

But anyway, I agree with you it should be possible to have teams in OOTP employ strict platoons and platoon molre often than they currently do. I think our only difference is I think it should be in league strategy settings the way so many other tactics are. We probably would agree that the manager should prefer to platoon less or more and that should be a big factor in whether a team platoons.

But we agree that currently OOTP teams platoon too rarely and especially they don't do enough strict platoons where either late in the game or in a high leverage situation, facing a relief pitcher of opposite handedness should usually lead to the platoon partner pinch hitting.
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So I'm almost 50. I've been watching baseball games since the mid '70's. Now I will admit that my ability to watch MLB games over the past five years has been diminished due to me now living in Costa Rica. So extremely new trends may be a bit unfamiliar to me but other than that, the thousands of games I've watched in my lifetime give me a pretty good understanding of standard baseball strategy. And as for OOTP, I find that it has done a beter job than any other baseball sim in being able to recreate those strategies, even within the context of their historical accuracy. However, there is one strategy that seems to be missing.

How does one set a strategy such that the AI will pinch hit for your platoon players in the 6th or later when behind or tied with the corresponding player he platoons with? Maybe this isn't something that happens anymore but I'm pretty sure that when Earl Weaver platooned guys like Gary Roenicke and John Lowenstein, he was pretty quick to pinch hit with whichever guy didn't start whenever the starter had to face a pitcher of the same hand as the batter. How does one do this in OOTP? How does one get the AI to recognize a simple lefty/righty platoon system? Does this not happen anymore in MLB? Don't teams like the RedSox who I'm pretty sure have used a platoon system at first base with Moreland and a righty (Pearce, Ramirez, etc), still pinch hit for Moreland late in games when he's facing a lefty? How does one tell the AI to always, or at least try to always, pinch hit for your lefty platoon guy when he's facing a lefty reliever late in a close ball game?
You should post this in the "Suggestions for Future OOTP Versions" forum on these pages.
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