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Old 04-17-2017, 05:02 PM   #1
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double steal

I'm about 2/3 of a season in; i double steal every chance I get, and I've never been caught once. I noticed the same in last years' version. Whenever I get a guy on 2nd with speed over 65 and a guy on first over 40, I double steal. I never don't get a lead, I never see a pitchout, and I never get caught.

Does this happen to you?

I know that I shouldn't take advantage of this, but it's my way at getting back at the AI for stealing / taking extra bases with a 6 run lead.
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Old 04-17-2017, 05:37 PM   #2
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that's odd if it happens every single time without fail, for sure...

i'd give some additional info when you file a bug report though... finish that season or use a backup to finish it quickly... check the SB / SB% numbers.

stolen bases year-to-year totals was quite volatile last year and past years. so, if it's within 500-700or so of what you see on baseball reference.com, then it's probably okay there...

if its ~70% +/- a few, it's good there, too.. even if 67 is a bit low and 74 is a bit high it's not off enough that it could cause what you are seeing etc...

Or, if you auto-calced, all of those #'s should be fine even if not exact... let them know the baseline environemtn isn't the cause.

edit: since it's a video game i have no problem stealing with a 6 run lead

in real life:
a team has scored 12 runs in an inning before, right (whatever the # is)? and definitely more than 6-9ish many times, so no lead is safe, ever. the complaints are solely rooted in misperceived slight due. angry because they are being embarassed on the field and reach for any rational reason possible to whine and cry. as far as i'm concerned if it can happen, you have to keep the pedal down. it's not being mean... it's avoiding the history books (more like infamy).

if money is involved, this is how it works. they should be big boys about it and suck it up. a lesson they never learned, clearly.

hope no one would do this with a little league team, lol... but i don't doubt it for the teams that are elite and competing for theere stupid lil tourny... college wasn't enouhg, now they are going to ruin the litltle league ws with a profit model

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Old 04-17-2017, 06:01 PM   #3
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I have a fast team, and while this is rare, when it shows up I will try it. I would say its about 50% effective. It does not work everytime. I steal bases all the time and still it works out to be league average. I had one guy lead the league by 1 base. I have heard people say they get thrown out everytime and some say they never get thrown out. I can assure you the factors in this game are perfect.
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Old 04-17-2017, 06:10 PM   #4
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I have a fast team, and while this is rare, when it shows up I will try it. I would say its about 50% effective. It does not work everytime. I steal bases all the time and still it works out to be league average. I had one guy lead the league by 1 base. I have heard people say they get thrown out everytime and some say they never get thrown out. I can assure you the factors in this game are perfect.
Are you sure ?

I have never been thrown out on a double steal ever either since OOTP 11 and I've played out well over 1000 games over that span. I have never seen it not work as long as the guy on second has good speed. Not once.

It's actually one of the reasons why I moved from managing my games to setting everything to AI except for substitutions. It was too easy to exploit.

The number of steals would still be fairly realistic overall for the entirety of the season because a double steal is fairly situational. You need a guy with good speed on second with a guy on first as well. It's not a situation that happens every single game.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:27 PM   #5
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I would take a position on this topic somewhere between chriskelly and maximus33. I would say the double steal (assuming you have two fast guys who can also steal) is not foolproof but it is successful more than 50% of the time. I'd say more like 75% of the time, considerably higher than the success rates of the runners stealing bases individually.
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Are you sure ?

I have never been thrown out on a double steal ever either since OOTP 11 and I've played out well over 1000 games over that span. I have never seen it not work as long as the guy on second has good speed. Not once.

It's actually one of the reasons why I moved from managing my games to setting everything to AI except for substitutions. It was too easy to exploit.

The number of steals would still be fairly realistic overall for the entirety of the season because a double steal is fairly situational. You need a guy with good speed on second with a guy on first as well. It's not a situation that happens every single game.
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Playing last night I had trail runner (much slower runner) thrown out at second. I'm only 10 games into the season, playing as Padres, so I haven't had many opportunities for a double steal.
Before the latest patch came out I was playing as the Tigers and had the lead runner thrown out at third.
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Old 04-18-2017, 01:44 AM   #8
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I've had many runners thrown out on double steals (leading and trail) in OOTP 15-17, and haven't yet started 18, despite owning/dl it.
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I have been thrown out on Double steal

No issue with the game and I play all my games.
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Old 04-18-2017, 11:00 AM   #10
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Are you sure ?

I have never been thrown out on a double steal ever either since OOTP 11 and I've played out well over 1000 games over that span. I have never seen it not work as long as the guy on second has good speed. Not once.

It's actually one of the reasons why I moved from managing my games to setting everything to AI except for substitutions. It was too easy to exploit.

The number of steals would still be fairly realistic overall for the entirety of the season because a double steal is fairly situational. You need a guy with good speed on second with a guy on first as well. It's not a situation that happens every single game.
Yes it happened last night. Thrown out at 3rd. If you have never been thrown out on a double steal I would have to question just how many times in 1000 games have you done this.
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Old 04-18-2017, 11:28 AM   #11
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Ive gotten thrown out plenty of times my team is fast too. The dude in front never gets caught but the 2nd runner has gotten caught most of the time for me
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I double steal with anyone, regardless of speed. I would say I score more runs on throws that are errors, than have anyone thrown out.

My #3/4 hitters tend to the lead the league on steals.

Conversely, I never steal with single runners, regardless of speed, as they get thrown out very frequently.
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Old 04-19-2017, 04:23 AM   #13
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My current stats, on September 8th in the first season. Standard MLB game and settings.

Players that have been with me a while:

Mike Napoli - 34 steals, 4 CS
Ben Zobrist - 35-2
Josh Donaldson - 65-6
Richard Urena - 20-1
Ryan Braun 41 steals, 0 caught
Jose Bautista - 35-3
Joe Panik, 39-7

Whole team = 412 SB, 39 CS so a success rate of 206 double steals from 245 attempts (84%). Without caring about speed.

As I said, I have also scored a lot (and advance the trailing runner to third) on a large amount of errors forced by the double steal.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:32 AM   #15
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I think this is the double steal signal..
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and just like that i got thrown out at 3rd last night on a double steal. I blame you guys.
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Old 04-20-2017, 05:17 PM   #17
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I'm about 2/3 of a season in; i double steal every chance I get, and I've never been caught once. I noticed the same in last years' version. Whenever I get a guy on 2nd with speed over 65 and a guy on first over 40, I double steal. I never don't get a lead, I never see a pitchout, and I never get caught.

Does this happen to you?

I know that I shouldn't take advantage of this, but it's my way at getting back at the AI for stealing / taking extra bases with a 6 run lead.
I agree 100% with original poster. With my White Sox team in last version it got so easy to steal bases on double steals I did so the whole reason to see how many I could get. I finished with a little over 300 steals & around 25 caught stealing. Tim Anderson (77) led team. Everyone on team had at least 1 & even Abreu had 15 or so. I no longer do double steals because of all games I watch IN REAL LIFE I rarely ever see one & I never do RUN & HIT because of too many steals that ways too. And I play out every game of White Sox
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I double steal a lot. But I only ever give the go-ahead with a right-handed batter at the plate and some stealing ability on the bases (speed has less to do with it, I find). I am pretty successful with it, but I do get thrown out now and again. I don't really know if it is really exploitive to a huge extent.

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Well, I like to test thing out when post like this are written. And so I did, and the very first attempt was





Harry Hooper thrown out at 3B, So much for that Theory!
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